Other mate-desktop ; enlightenment-desktop ; budgie-desktop broken.

I don't understand if also mate-desktop is broken for the OP. In my case it works just fine and it's actually my daily driver.
 
fmc000 said:
I don't understand if also mate-desktop is broken for the OP. In my case it works just fine and it's actually my daily driver.
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Same here, working fine. Home brew pkg (by poudriere-devel) on stable/14 and bare metal upgrades with pkg_replace on main. Both ports are on main branch (aka latest).
 
It breaks. It happens. XFCE4 broke. I decided not to fix anything. I waited 2 months. I updated it the other day. There were about 380 packages on the update, including many packages from the panel, desktop, XFCE-goodies, etc. But after that the desktop remained black, shortcuts and the right-click menu on the desktop did not appear... So they broke it and that's it. And the update did not help. I think that XFCE is often broken (I read on the Debian forums, etc.). Not only FreeBSD users have to suffer. Therefore, thanks to Alain De Vos for the comments. I am absolutely not satisfied with such "stability" of that DE. Most likely, you need to switch to something like Mutter.
 
USerID said:
It breaks. It happens. XFCE4 broke. I decided not to fix anything. I waited 2 months. I updated it the other day. There were about 380 packages on the update, including many packages from the panel, desktop, XFCE-goodies, etc. But after that the desktop remained black, shortcuts and the right-click menu on the desktop did not appear... So they broke it and that's it. And the update did not help. I think that XFCE is often broken (I read on the Debian forums, etc.). Not only FreeBSD users have to suffer. Therefore, thanks to Alain De Vos for the comments. I am absolutely not satisfied with such "stability" of that DE. Most likely, you need to switch to something like Mutter.
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I don't know what you did but what I know for sure I'd that XFCE is everything but broken. It's my daily driver and it works perfectly, beautiful, fast and feature complete as usual on my laptop.

Edit: not only that, I just got back from a three-week vacation and I found that my FreeBSD installation needed 39 updates. Downloaded, applied, reboot (because of binutils, mesa-dri and stuff), all good.

In short, XFCE is really rock solid under FreeBSD.
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Maybe, everything is possible. But until I do everything through clonezilla - I never update anything. I don't understand what and where breaks, but the fact remains a fact. This is practice.
 
fmc000 said:
In short, XFCE is really rock solid under FreeBSD.
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I confirm. I used xfce for several years myself, and if I had to recommend a DE xfce gets 1st place.
(I use WM.)

USerID said:
But until I do everything through clonezilla - I never update anything.
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I have absolutely no idea, what you're talking.
To me Clonezilla is a tool for cloning disks (partitions).
I simply cannot not get the slightest idea how this is a use to avoid updates.

I use FreeBSD for many years by now.
All problems I had were caused by myself not sticking to the HB's standard procedures,
mostly by not reading carefully enough.
Besides those my whole system runs rock solid.

Maybe boring while conventional, but reliable solid:
RELEASE installed natively with FreeBSD's installer,
most apps installed with pkg install, some via ports tree,
do regulary FreeBSD updates, pkg updates - with freebsd-update and pkg update, not Clonezilla, or what else,
no problems, at least no serious ones.
Whole system runs rock solid - for years.
(Well Gimp, and LibreOffice are not what I would call solid, but that's not in FreeBSD's court.)

If you decide not to use the main road for whatever reasons but to struggle through the jungle,
of course you do not enjoy the comforts of the main road but being in the jungle.
But then you know what you're doing.
 
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Whole system runs rock solid - for years.
(Well Gimp, and LibreOffice are not what I would call solid, but that's not in FreeBSD's court.)
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Yes. And even graphics/gimp-app and editors/libreoffice are actually both working. I have (and I do use them both, especially the Gimp). Built them both recently and everything is good. Often, when such complex applications break, this seems to be dynamic library dependencies. Building recursively the whole thing usually helps.
 
USerID said:
Is there an even faster way to restore EVERYTHING for a home machine?
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Personally, I do have ZFS (as many others) and making snapshots of all the datasets. If I break something, then zfs rollback helps - zfs-rollback(8). Usually rolling back only the system dataset.

To snapshot all datasets in this machine:
Code: 
zfs snapshot -r ssd_sys@"snap_$(date "+%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S")"

Where ssd_sys is my pool in this machine.

And to delete the oldest:

Code: 
zfs destroy -r "$(zfs list -H -o name -t snap|head -n 1)"
 
USerID said:
So... what is that? After update. After. This has broken, is breaking and will most likely break. There are dozens of such links. I save the ENTIRE SSD with "Clonezilla". Then I restore everything in 5 minutes. This is if the "stable" DE breaks again after updates. Everything is very simple. Is there an even faster way to restore EVERYTHING for a home machine?
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So are you seriously reporting as an example a thread of more than three and a half years ago? A thread that is about an upgrade to a release that's not even the current one?

BTW, the fix was just to clear the sessions cache if I'm not reading it all wrong.
 
Argentum said:
To snapshot all datasets in this machine:
Code: 
zfs snapshot -r ssd_sys@"snap_$(date "+%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S")"

Where ssd_sys is my pool in this machine.
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Upgraded that small script to a more general form

Code: 
zfs snapshot -r $(zpool list -H | awk '{print $1}')@"snap_$(date "+%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S")"

Now the same script works on different machines with different pool names.
 
fmc000, thanks for the interesting thoughts. I'll keep an eye on it.
Argentum, I couldn't use ZFS on my old second-hand computer. ZFS is very demanding on hardware. I had to go back to UFS. When I was working with ZFS, I noticed that the browser was simply at the limit of the load, namely, it was simply "choking" on YouTube, and the hardware was heating up like hell. I thought that the ad blocker was to blame, but no, I switched to UFS and all the problems were "solved". Most likely, I didn't do fine tuning of ZFS. "Out of the box", unfortunately, ZFS didn't work adequately for me. This is a complex system for old, non-top hardware.
 
USerID said:
Argentum, I couldn't use ZFS on my old second-hand computer. ZFS is very demanding on hardware. I had to go back to UFS. When I was working with ZFS, I noticed that the browser was simply at the limit of the load, namely, it was simply "choking" on YouTube, and the hardware was heating up like hell. I thought that the ad blocker was to blame, but no, I switched to UFS and all the problems were "solved". Most likely, I didn't do fine tuning of ZFS. "Out of the box", unfortunately, ZFS didn't work adequately for me. This is a complex system for old, non-top hardware.
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This is weird. My personal experience is that ZFS runs on everything. I have VM-s with ZFS pool on file (common practice), I have used it on an USB flash drive and PC hardware over 10 years old. Also, looking with ztop - ztop() - sysutils/ztop I can see that with web browser, the ZFS activity is not that high.

Any comments from other users?
 
I agree to Argentum. I run ZFS in a FreeBSD VM and it works well. The main reason to set up the VM was the idea to learn ZFS inside the VM instead of nuking my system in case I did something wrong. Also on real metal a hp Thin Client with quite limited hardware. No problem
at all for me. My main machine is a bit more power full with 12 cores and I love it. I do not want anything else than ZFS.
None of the 3 setups are getting hot or struggling with ZFS.
 
Argentum said:
… Any comments from other users?
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With almost nothing known about the hardware:

USerID said:
… old …
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I can't comment on that case.

Generally, better discuss UFS and ZFS elsewhere …

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