lol, ok there is something i just don't understand about this, i have been using the handbook, freshports, and the bsd search, even google, to find the Full KDE install. It was suggested that since i was re-installing everything to fix what i ruined, that i should not install the kde from the cd, but rather download the new port/package. Kde3 or kde4. I ran the "freebsd-update fetch" and "freebsd-update install" and rebooted. all went fine. I can't seem to find out exactly what i need to download from the ftp site or how to download it. when i search for kde in fresh ports or on the bsd search i get tons and tons of hits. The only thing i see that may be the full install is the "meta-port" is that what i need to do the full install. next how exactly do i start the download and why doesn't ls work when connected to the ftp server? were does it download it to? and then its as simple as going to the directory it downloaded it to, and typing "make && make install clean" right? or would i still use pkg_add? thanks in advance. NOTE: I choose not to install the ports package from the cd during the sysinstall. should i just re-run sysinstall and add the ports package and then install kde from the cd and upgrade that?