help me to choose ! PC or Laptop

[bgavin]

Desktop

 

[GoNeFast_01]

(Its a challenge I know) = Desktop and water cooled it...

Also get more RAM... I eat 48GB RAM like its 4GB.... For a medium spec powerhouse minimum is 64 GB and that's probably not enough in the next year, you'll need it with all the toys that are coming for AI and open source options.

 

[6502]

I prefer desktops but if it is Gigabyte mb, then get the laptop. Buy HP EliteDesk or similar for desktop even if it is second hand.

 

[BaronBS]

Desktop > framework > Old thinkpad > New thinkpad > New Dell corporate laptop (ex. latitude) > rest

 

[GlitchyDot]

(Its a challenge I know) = Desktop and water cooled it...

Also get more RAM... I eat 48GB RAM like its 4GB.... For a medium spec powerhouse minimum is 64 GB and that's probably not enough in the next year, you'll need it with all the toys that are coming for AI and open source options.

Cant get 64 ECC on my pc i want to build. Max 32GB unless i can get 32GB sticks which works with mobo and cpu.
For AI and other things i have workstation, which is waiting to get upgraded to 128 or 256 GB or ram.

I prefer desktops but if it is Gigabyte mb, then get the laptop. Buy HP EliteDesk or similar for desktop even if it is second hand.

What is so bad with Gigabyte mb ? had one, was ok. I choose specifically that MB as it has 3 video outputs and its mini-itx.

Desktop > framework > Old thinkpad > New thinkpad > New Dell corporate laptop (ex. latitude) > rest

Yes, ThinkPad or Desktop. I dont like any other laptops so ill skip Framework

Not only more equipment. Replacing a laptop keyboard is very expensive. And how long do you have to wait until they find it in a special catalog at the end of the world. I also remember how the impeller of the processor cooler broke (one blade broke off) at the deputy director's DELL. We searched for and delivered a new cooler for more than a month. With a PC, everything is much simpler in terms of hardware.
Previously, batteries could be unfastened in 15 seconds.
Today, everything is deeply hidden and soldered (on screws and cables). If liquid gets in, you can't quickly remove the battery. As a result, the motherboard burns out in the most unnecessary places. And you get a lot of money for repairs. The same thing about the matrix: broken or loose hinges are annoying. And if the fastener tears off the screws with a piece of the board or pad inside the case, then this is money for repairs again.
Power supply: the power cable of the adapter quickly becomes unusable from bending and movement. Often the adapter itself dies from overheating...and how can I quickly power it up? A laboratory power supply?

My Laptop of choice is Thinkpad and its thicc boy , but battery we can fix it with charge thresh-hold so it would last a bit more and less issues.

And a REALLY GOOD laptop will easily last 5 to 7 years. That won't happen with a cheap model, but the high-end brand name laptops (Apple, Dell, HP) will survive that. Other than $ job forcing me to replace the laptop they own, I'm on my third MacBook Pro since 2008, and it's now 2024.

Really good laptop could last more than 10 years lol ... look at ThinkPad`s ))))

Well, i might be re-thinking now my choice as i discovered Threadripper`s lol ... 2gen with matx board could be fun also And AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3945WX cost 195 Euros ( brand new from shops ) just issue is motherboar prices... but gen 1 threadripper non pro 1950X ( i think ) 100Eur and less and 2 gen 2955wx can be obtained on the cheap as well and x399 matx board is less than 300 euros. but then need 2 gpus if i want more than 4 monitors.
Still doing my research at the moment but the more i do re-search the more i lean towards pc.

 

[astyle]

Just my 2 cents here, but I'd recommend against a Threadripper unless you know you actually need tons of PCIe lanes for your tasks. First-gen threadrippers are relatively cheap, but compatible mobos are expensive. And the computing power you get out of such a setup - it's comparable to a regular Ryzen 5000 series laptop.

I'd say, the newer the Ryzen you get, the better. Not even a specifically gaming machine, just a recent (7000/8000/9000 series) Ryzen, even in a laptop, will be able to handle all that the OP needs. After that, comes RAM (16 GB at least).

 

[GlitchyDot]

Just my 2 cents here, but I'd recommend against a Threadripper unless you know you actually need tons of PCIe lanes for your tasks. First-gen threadrippers are relatively cheap, but compatible mobos are expensive. And the computing power you get out of such a setup - it's comparable to a regular Ryzen 5000 series laptop.

I'd say, the newer the Ryzen you get, the better. Not even a specifically gaming machine, just a recent (7000/8000/9000 series) Ryzen, even in a laptop, will be able to handle all that the OP needs. After that, comes RAM (16 GB at least).

Im kinda agree on computer power but im not interested in ryzen laptop as for my needs thinkpad laptops with ryzen does not have enough stuff to be sufficient for my work.
Threadripper gen1 adn gen 2 have 60 pcie lanes which is not a lot if you think. When i noted matx board with 3 pcie slots - im kinda quickly put some calculations and my mb+ cpu would get 50 to 80 euros more than buying am4 or am5 board with 5000-7000 cpu. Yes, there are upsides from 5000 or 7000 cpus but also downsides and yes - its called pcie lanes. I was looking for mffb/sffb only and if i look at matx boards - it started to make no sense of building one so i have to go for sffb or go
matx threadripper if i want this type of build.
maxt x399 board cost 280 euros now... which is awesome and if i get lets say 1950x - my build is 50-80 more than am4 or am5 matx or mini itx build if i put 5000 or 7000 ryzen - computer power a side - i have better , longer platform than 5000/7000 ryzen ( as i can put it to my homelab build wit 16 core 32 thread , or if i go 2955wx - 32 cores 64 thread or i can get more cores later) - i can have some fun with virtualization + if i join my dual xeon work station - i can have real fun.
but yeah - ill take your advice and think a bit more as im still not pulling the plug - waiting christmas/new year to start putting money down and buying pieces.
This is the reason i created topic for myself - so people could provide me with their advice, knowledge, experience - sometimes i need to listen to smarter people ))

 

[GlitchyDot]

(Its a challenge I know) = Desktop and water cooled it...

Also get more RAM... I eat 48GB RAM like its 4GB.... For a medium spec powerhouse minimum is 64 GB and that's probably not enough in the next year, you'll need it with all the toys that are coming for AI and open source options.

Thats a fact. i do love wc. have my dual xeon wattercooled. had him in lian li air mini case fitted - i do enjoy moking arround with pc`s i have
For Ai - if you have enough vram - you dont need much of ram in my understanding and im planing to do something with my current vram situation as i have rare gpu with 32gb of vram i might put it on sale and get like 4-6 a5000 as its around 600-700 per card ( or try to get 3090 for a bit less but im more towards a5000 as with waterblock its 1lot card). and 24gb per card. hoping 50xx series nvidia gpu will mess a lot with higher tier cards as it rumoured to have 32gb of vram.

 

[GoNeFast_01]

Thats a fact. i do love wc. have my dual xeon wattercooled. had him in lian li air mini case fitted - i do enjoy moking arround with pc`s i have
For Ai - if you have enough vram - you dont need much of ram in my understanding and im planing to do something with my current vram situation as i have rare gpu with 32gb of vram i might put it on sale and get like 4-6 a5000 as its around 600-700 per card ( or try to get 3090 for a bit less but im more towards a5000 as with waterblock its 1lot card). and 24gb per card. hoping 50xx series nvidia gpu will mess a lot with higher tier cards as it rumoured to have 32gb of vram.

That's correct you don't need RAM unless you run a bunch of containers/bhyve/k8, I run a lot of visualize VM/tools I like keeping everything segmented....

Regarding the vram I think most new cards will come with minimum 32gb next year/next gen.

I like A5000 in terms of value for sure and that's like 1.5 A100 so yes the savings are for real; having said that, you will be wasting more electricity. With that many cards don't you need just a dedicated supply for them?

 

[GlitchyDot]

That's correct you don't need RAM unless you run a bunch of containers/bhyve/k8, I run a lot of visualize VM/tools I like keeping everything segmented....

Regarding the vram I think most new cards will come with minimum 32gb next year/next gen.

I like A5000 in terms of value for sure and that's like 1.5 A100 so yes the savings are for real; having said that, you will be wasting more electricity. With that many cards don't you need just a dedicated supply for them?

Yes, one more dedicated PSU will be needed. i think its about 230-250W per each card. so around 1600W PSU will be needed if 6 cards are running.
VRAM - next gen nVidia 5060 got only 8GB if its true ... lol. 5090 will be 32GB now this would probably make 3090/4090 even cheaper ... heck 3090 you can find for about 550$ if you take your time and effort. Obviously it makes better re-sell value considering A5000 even if you undervolt 3090( as people do ) but still 230-250W per 24GB on A5000 + single slot with WB makes very, very compelling GPU.