GNOME & Firefox officially brain dead.

cracauer@ said:
So is it pasting the X11 selection or the X11 clipboard? Big difference.
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That's interesting. On Firefox under FreeBSD+Plasma+Wayland, it does 1 if there's something selected, and 2 if there's nothing selected.

Anyhow, I wanted to say that I don't like GNOME as a DE or the GNOME foundation as a foundation, but they have a point if the goal is to cater to the "average" user. Having the possibility of pasting by mistake something of value somewhere public is risky and better to be avoided. According to the opinion of this person who is I, changing the default of the middle-button click to "do nothing" and leaving the current functionality as an optional configuration is a good move.
 
Copy/Paste with the middle click is the most powerful gadget of the interface; I use it as often as I can through all applications. It's handy because you can copy/paste with only two actions (select/paste) without keyboard; plus select / ctrl-c / ctrl-v you have a double copy/paste buffer. Such power in your hands is awesome :cool: :rolleyes:

I always grumble against myself when I use Windows because I always try to select/past with a middle click, but it doesn't work, obviously ...
 
I don't see how accidental firing of the middle click can be considered a "risk".

It is not a terminal where commands would be executed. It is just text fields that can be edited again to remove the wrong text. You can't even submit a form from inside a text field.
 
Crivens said:
Once upon a time I pasted a big hexdump into an irc channel by mistake. I got banned after that 😂
And it totally works in terminals, but they sometimes have guards against that.
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I supposed GNOME terminal could be a risk. I forgot about that.

But for fired fox?
 
cracauer@ said:
But for fired fox?
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I guess that means "Firefox" because you consider it a browser one should better not use (I could be wrong) and that this is a reference to my previous comment:
AlfredoLlaquet said:
That's interesting. On Firefox under FreeBSD+Plasma+Wayland, it does 1 if there's something selected, and 2 if there's nothing selected.

Anyhow, I wanted to say that I don't like GNOME as a DE or the GNOME foundation as a foundation, but they have a point if the goal is to cater to the "average" user. Having the possibility of pasting by mistake something of value somewhere public is risky and better to be avoided. According to the opinion of this person who is I, changing the default of the middle-button click to "do nothing" and leaving the current functionality as an optional configuration is a good move.
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I'd like to point out that both paragraphs are unrelated. In particular:

- The first paragraph is a little quick test I did with what I had at hand because I was curious after your previous question.

- The second paragraph is my general opinion about pasting whatever by clicking the middle button wherever.

Thank you. This conversation is very charming indeed.
 
doul said:
Copy/Paste with the middle click is the most powerful gadget of the interface; I use it as often as I can through all applications. It's handy because you can copy/paste with only two actions (select/paste) without keyboard; plus select / ctrl-c / ctrl-v you have a double copy/paste buffer. Such power in your hands is awesome :cool: :rolleyes:

I always grumble against myself when I use Windows because I always try to select/past with a middle click, but it doesn't work, obviously ...
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Is there a way to have just a single universal clipboard? I thought that's how it worked all OSs all this time until recent Wayland making it inconsistent 😅 (I'd copy from Firefox and paste something unrelated into Terminal a second later)

I'd prefer middle click, Ctrl + V, and right-click -> Copy all working the same everywhere!
 
Crivens said:
You remember we talk about GNOMEs here?

This worked before linux was first run, this worked for so long. But nobody uses it and it surprises people who run into it?
Rain makes you wet, as you will see when you go outside without an umbrella when it rains. Has been this for eternity. But I guess we found those who are stunned by that.
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I have used the middle click paste daily since 1997. Especially, when pasting into virtual terminals: Select and then middle click. 2 steps. It's a lot faster than select, right click, find copy and then right clidk and find paste. 5 steps.
 
cy@ said:
CDE is maintained.

I wouldn't say Motif is dead. Though I did ask upstream if there were any updates forthcoming. She replied by asking me if I had an issue to report. I had none.

There is a Motif fork. The developer emailed me last month. It had some issues, i.e. segfaults, when I installed it. However I used the libmap.conf "workaround" which may not have been sufficient. The upstream developer mentioned many API changes. That means many ABI changes as well and probably why I experienced segfults. I'll be testing it by reinstalling my motif ports with it. It will likely be installed separate to motif. If it's successful I'll look at making it default.
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The Motif fork has been committed to ports. Put WANT_THENTENAAR_MOTIF=yes into your make.conf to use it instead. You will need to rebuild all the ports that depend motif with thentenaar-motif once the switch as been made. Even though the two Motifs have virtually the same API, their ABIs are different enough to result in segmentation faults in ports and packages built with one and using the other at runtime. This is because offsets within data structures are different after compile.

At some point I may consider making thentenaar-motif default.
 
Crivens said:
Once CDE finds the other displays and can use them, I vote for having CDE as the default desktop in FreeBSD base install - should we need one.
Interesting how the bloat from the past (compared to hand-tuned fvwm2) is now the slim one and the slim one turns into a swamp...
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As an fvwm2 user, I love that there's no default GUI to FreeBSD or assumptions about what you'd use or twists in the system that expect anything particular. But if there did have to be one, I'd want it to be absolutely anything other than Gnome. (I mean, I'd still use fvwm2 but just talking about the assumptions that would start to creep in. But whatever happened to Lumina? I still wouldn't use it but kind of like the idea of a BSD-native desktop vs. KDE/Gnome/XFCE.
 
Btw Microsoft gravely violated POLA with Windows 3.0, the introduction of DDE, OLE, the Clipboard and two key combinations to use for Copy and Paste, as the Ctrl+C in DOS performs about the same thing as Ctrl+C in Unix.

Even if middle mouse were an "X11-ism" X11 is an important piece of tech designed by a lot of smart people. Who, when, from what position of relevance, decided to put buttons on side of the mice that navigate webpages and have this functionality on by default in OS/browser?
 
I've been using middle mouse copy/paste since I was using Unix/X11 and the only reason I switch to other methods such as Ctrl C/V or Shift+ same happens when I'm not sure the application really cooperates with "X11 clipboard", which does happen frequently with Firefox.

One criticism I have is accidentally overwriting the buffer if you select a bunch of text.
 
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