oliverh said:Buy a real graphics card, it's far easier than waiting a "couple of years" to see real support for it in FreeBSD.
vermaden said:For workstation/desktop an Intel GMA is more then enough, even for casual games with WINE.
Currently just stick to models that are supported, which means Intel GMA 3100/x3000/x3100/x4500 or earlier models, they work like a charm.
oliverh said:"Just stick to models ...", that's nonsense! If someone buys a new latop or some i3 CPU then there is no choice. Intel graphics is a common denominator for laptops, so we will see less FreeBSD on those new machines. That's just reality. A real graphics card is a must, if FreeBSD isn't able to cope with todays technology.
adamk said:Personally, I've stopped recommending intel graphics for FreeBSD altogether. Ever since I found out that one of the primary reasons for the delay in moving to Xorg 7.5 in ports was because it would have broken 2D/3D acceleration for all intel users till someone managed to get an older version of xf86-video-intel working on the newer version of Xorg, which rnoland@ eventually did. I was pushing him to just roll out Xorg 7.5 and let it break for intel users.
oliverh said:>If ThinkPad/Latitude is a toy for You then ok.
If you're talking of toys, well then this is the answer you will get from me. I can't read your mind, maybe next time you should write it down, instead of making wild assumptions. And I'm old enough to avoid some fetish about some brand.
vermaden said:OFFTOP: I also like AMD's graphics cards, the fact that AMD gave all needed specifications to write open drivers etc. but their CPUs still draw too much power to be able to compete with Intel CPUs, and btw, most 'best' laptops (thinkpads/latitudes/precisions) contain an Intel CPU.
I have MacBook Pro 2.2 on my desk and also a Dell Latitude e6400 ... and I would always choose the seceond one, there is nothing special in Apple hardware ... Mac OS X is also not that special, it often requires You to 'click' the buttons (no matter touchpad/mouse) instead of just using keyboard (TAB/ARROWS/ENTER) for that, its just retarded in that manner, it looks nice but its not that comfortable at all (unless You love touchpad/mouse).oliverh said:But I'm in good company: many FreeBSD devs are using Apple hardware. Guess why ;-)