FreeBSD 15 probably will include KDE as DE installtion option

I think there are now other projects to keep X alive aside from Xlibre, but so far, for me, X is fine. I also seem to remember that recently, there has been work on Xorg. Don't know if that's correct, but I do know an alpine linux person was working on Wayback, something that let you run X window managers on a Wayland system.
T-Aoki, I know you've mentioned various problems with Wayland, but as I've said, for me, labwc is quite a workable substitute. I know you've said you don't use tiling window managers but for others looking at this, there is sway (which may not work with Nvidia) and mango, which despite seeming to be one of those WMs that's bloated, can easily have animations and such removed so that it becomes a lot like dwl, the Wayland version of dwm. What is your usual window manager out of idle curiosity?
 
Tomolok said:
I don't think anyhow KDE offers better functionality compared to lightweight DE like MATE,Xfce,LXQT etc if you don't want fancy graphical effects.
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Its not about fancy graphical effects, its about high resolution support and proper scaling. MATE/XFCE/LXQT are horrible at it. The only desktop environments that have these features properly implemented are Gnome/KDE/Cinnamon and Cosmic. Everything else is atrocious.
 
scottro said:
T-Aoki, I know you've mentioned various problems with Wayland, but as I've said, for me, labwc is quite a workable substitute.
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I hope I understand what you're saying correctly, but sane on single (or some of) compositor is NOT sufficient. It should be the whole Wayland environments. Working sanely on every possible compositors that DOES NOT ABUSING basic Wayland components is mandatory.

In my humble opinion, achieve what they OPENLY stating (security issue on protocols itself) could be to use exisiting XIM protocol and related immodules to communicate / linked against with core components underlying below compositors (near hardware level) only, and core components delegates as if there's no other apps connecting to IM frameworks from single process. It may hurt a bit on performance, though.
 
MrBSD said:
Its not about fancy graphical effects, its about high resolution support and proper scaling. MATE/XFCE/LXQT are horrible at it. The only desktop environments that have these features properly implemented are Gnome/KDE/Cinnamon and Cosmic. Everything else is atrocious.
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On my device (ThinkBook 14 G8 IRL),scaling and resolution support works very fine after some manual adjustment.
 
I use dwl with the tofi application launcher

However i hardly every tile windows i just have one application per workspace
The one thing most people dont mention is the overhead using a full blown DE like KDE

The advantage of dwl is that its lightweight
and leaves my gpu free for using things like Ollama, obs studio

I only have 4gb of vram so using a full blown desktop would mean less power for applications

Instead of wasting power on desktop effects
 
Tomolok said:
On my device (ThinkBook 14 G8 IRL),scaling and resolution support works very fine after some manual adjustment.
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That means nothing. On my 4k oled display no amount of adjustments can make it even slightly acceptable on xfce or mate. No such issues on Cinnamon. I just set the scaling to 200% and everything is nice and sharp.
 
MrBSD said:
That means nothing. On my 4k oled display no amount of adjustments can make it even slightly acceptable on xfce or mate. No such issues on Cinnamon. I just set the scaling to 200% and everything is nice and sharp.
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How does it behave on xfce and mate after adjusting scaling to 2X on your 4K display?
 
Tomolok said:
How does it behave on xfce and mate after adjusting scaling to 2X on your 4K display?
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On xfce everything becomes larger as it should, but everything looks blurry. Especially fonts. It behaves as if the resolution is not native. On mate, scaling is much much much better in a sense that the windows and panels are not blurry. But issues with text remain. I need to manually set font sizes, which in return streches intefaces on some applications. It is extremely inconsistent. I can adjust everything to look nice in Librewolf, and then i start Audacious or qBittorrent, and its all either too big or too small. In some situations, interface looks normal with giant fonts. Or vice versa. It doesnt matter if i select QT or GTK from within the application. You just cant make it all fit nicely and be consistent. Mate and Cinnamon should be very similar in way they work, but in reality Mate is simply unusable on 4K display. How is it possible that everything just works in Cinnamon with one click?
 
T-Aoki said:
I hope I understand what you're saying correctly, but sane on single (or some of) compositor is NOT sufficient. It should be the whole Wayland environments. Working sanely on every possible compositors that DOES NOT ABUSING basic Wayland components is mandatory.
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Yes, you understood what I said correctly. I think you are right, it should work on all Wayland managers, but at least for my personal use, if it ever got to the point where there was nothing but Wayland, it wouldn't be a major disaster for me.
 
MrBSD said:
That means nothing. On my 4k oled display no amount of adjustments can make it even slightly acceptable on xfce or mate. No such issues on Cinnamon. I just set the scaling to 200% and everything is nice and sharp.
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Is that Cinnamon on X.Org Server or the Muffin compositor (Wayland)?
 
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