Dead Internet is this still a theory or its reality ? Or maybe - World ?

[drhowarddrfine]

They don't need to get online here with their real names.

They don't always use their real names here. Warner is bsdimp I forgot Percival's and the others.

But they aren't movie star famous. I used to be in the TV and movie business and belonged to a certain forum where well-known behind the scenes names would visit often without being bothered and they used their real names.

 

[astyle]

aaanywhoo... I see where this is going... you guys really don't like Reddit, and that is fair enough (seriously!). I feel the other way and well... I don't think we're going to come to an agreement here ... so I'm gonna agree to disagree.

I personally don't mind Reddit. It does have its share of morons (whose messed-up thinking cannot be untangled), but if you keep your eyes peeled, you can get real info from there - like pointing out that ao.com is a pyramid schemer, that a legit employer is cagey and secretive with hours and pay, and therefore people should steer clear, and more. All stuff that so-called 'official' sources of info are normally blind to.

Yeah, that's where the FreeBSD dev team hangs out. Yeah, that's where the r/AITA lives... It all depends on what the reader is looking for, and pays attention to. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. SMH

 

[GlitchyDot]

You should see the endless stream of "fake" youtube channels in my suggestion list. All less than a year old, 10K+ subscribers (how?), thumbnails are clearly low effort AI crap. Clips themselves are pilfered from other channels and stitched together, AI generated voice-over. For every channel I mark "Do not suggest this channel anymore" 10 others show up. I really don't mind AI generated visuals or an AI voice-over, if done properly. But this endless stream of low effort crap is truly annoying.

And this is how you know that this is all fake as followers are dead giveaways - which is kinda helpful because when you have thousands of followers and only handful of likes.

On our lovely forum we see it happening too. Often done by spammers trying to get out of the moderation queue. Posting to old dead threads, with a response that looks legit at quick glance but when looked at more closely is just way too generic. Or completely misses the point. It's hard to describe but there's always something "off" about those replies. I usually catch them, but I'm pretty sure some slip through.

Now this is very interesting and thats what i say - if you have no experience of dealing with it - you just being screwed by "AI" and you need keen eye or in my case keen ear to differentiate from real and not.
I would love to see some of these AI postings to try and understand their "mistakes" and how they behave in forums, also - user is new most of the time or its like registered and much later starting to do its "activities" ?

 

[Espionage724]

aaanywhoo... I see where this is going... you guys really don't like Reddit, and that is fair enough (seriously!). I feel the other way and well... I don't think we're going to come to an agreement here ... so I'm gonna agree to disagree.

Reddit has some good parts (when there's real people), but I feel the front page echos the overall sentiment of the platform.

Even though Hacker News is totally different scope, there's a big difference on how people present news (straight to the point on HN, vs emotional mess Reddit). The emotional part with the news presents sway, and the posters posting that news are presenting that sway for a reason.

There's always side-splitting on Reddit. Like really:

Do Republicans Realize It’s Not Just Democrats - The Whole World Looks at Them with Disgust

That's every hour on front page. Sway emotion, demonize a side, and upvotes = truth (presented to 10yr olds with iPads or anyone naive to believe it's all human-based interactions).

Occasionally there's hilarious stuff too front-page https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1kd1sjn/literally/

I think my larger problem with Reddit is how serious everyone takes everything nowadays. Emotions run high all over the front page, and I don't get the vibe they're genuine feelings; more-so exaggerated or fabricated to sway a position; the larger point being by who and why.

It just doesn't look right; Reddit masquerades as a place for genuine human interaction that some people seek, while that's not at all what's presented.

 

[Maturin]

But they aren't movie star famous. I used to be in the TV

Yes, you're right.
But don't forget the level of restrain in real life is higher than within the anonymity on the internet.

If I was from FreeBSD core team I wouldn't spotlight it here.
Who wants to be in the focus for all those who think they deserve exclusive head treatment even for newbie's needs, and become an outlet for the frustration if wannabe-hackers simply were too lazy to read the documentation themselves?

However, if some one sometimes post something here like
"I know [name from FreeBSD core team]. She/he send's his/her regards, already seen it here. They are working on it"
simply feels good.
It's a bit more than the oneway-communication of closed announcements we receive here from the foundation.
After all I think this forums are also a good source for what the community thinks/wants/is concerned of, besides surveys.

 

[USerID]

I usually catch them, but I'm pretty sure some slip through.

I finally managed to pass face control...
- = = Sincerely, your AI bug bot = = -
I never thought that we would spend so much time on bots, AI codes, poking around in the guts of social networks. Well, the information field is filled with destructive information, well, a stream is a stream. By the way, how is WEB-2? Remember, people were so tired of the flow of SPAM that they decided to create WWW-2. What's up with this concept today?

 

[tingo]

AI is (for the time being) the new facebook. People will get obsessed with it, spend too much time on it, and mostly create useless crap. Eventually (still a few years off, I think) it might settle into a somewhat usable thing.

 

[drhowarddrfine]

mostly create useless crap

That is the problem with today's world. Or maybe with today's kids growing up. You don't read about the guy wanting to learn the fundamentals that lead to developing some new device that's actually useful. All they want to do is make some new game, a new animal character or funny pictures using AI.

 

[ShelLuser]

All they want to do is make some new game, a new animal character or funny pictures using AI.

Agreed, basically.. all they crave is attention. And it sometimes doesn't matter how. Makes one wonder how shallow their lives really are.

 

[astyle]

Agreed, basically.. all they crave is attention. And it sometimes doesn't matter how. Makes one wonder how shallow their lives really are.

Well, sometimes attention is actually needed - who's supposed to teach them the basics in the first place if not us? When the teaching gets to be too much for us, and we stop paying attention ourselves, that's the result we all have to live with and look at.

 

[PMc]

That there are bots and AI and fake news everywhere else does not make it OK to the point of "so what?". It is a problem and, as pointed out, a problem everywhere.

What difference does it make? In the online world. in most cases, you talk to people whom you never intend to meet or get acquainted.
And if it is a human, how do you know whether the persona they present has anything to do with who they really are?

The whole online world provides an illusion of being in contact (just so that the psyche doesn't start to complain about feeling lonely), and the only problem with A.I. is that it makes this deceit becoming obvious.

 

[drhowarddrfine]

PMc What you wrote is what I'm saying and that's the difference it makes.

 

[wolffnx]

I only use Reddit because I talk with real humans and your questions will be answer
not like any social media today when:
-Everyone talks but no one responds , is like they drop they opinion there and disappear
-Is like a weird 4 class hollywood where everyone are actors who nobody knows and they believe it
-Everyone insults .. face to face are the scariest little girl , in my country there is a phrase for that people
"rambos de teclado" "keyboards rambo's" (first blood stallone movie)
where everyone behind a keyboard is a "john rambo"

the internet is dead along time ago , I dont wanna sound nostalgic,but you remember when internet was for meeting people around the world? or in your country, but was so easy, the "msn" era

 

[astyle]

Everyone talks but no one responds , is like they drop they opinion there and disappear

I see same behavior on these very Forums... it's just a matter of what you choose to pay attention to.

Is like a weird 4 class hollywood where everyone are actors who nobody knows and they believe it

In some Noh theater plays, even the audience are part of the play.

Everyone insults .. face to face are the scariest little girl , in my country there is a phrase for that people

Ever hear of Hanlon's Razor ? Most comments are easier to attribute to stupidity rather than real malice. Especially off-hand comments that betray just how uninformed the comment-maker is.

 

[wolffnx]

I see same behavior on these very Forums... it's just a matter of what you choose to pay attention to.

In some Noh theater plays, even the audience are part of the play.

Ever hear of Hanlon's Razor ? Most comments are easier to attribute to stupidity rather than real malice. Especially off-hand comments that betray just how uninformed the comment-maker is.

I see same behavior on these very Forums... it's just a matter of what you choose to pay attention to.
Not even far...look facebook for example, thousands of comentaries in one post, try to respond one and see what happen
In here at least are replies..yes, maybe no one,but you got to post a very hard problem..even the newbies get the answers

In some Noh theater plays, even the audience are part of the play.
Me bad here..I meant , the people upload their entire life in photos with hundreds of effects,they only life
is receive likes o whetever they call it , and the woman...nothing is what is seems
for example, I meet a couple of womans , in date apps, when they know that I dont have instagram....
one just block me and the other says to me that she feel fear??? because I have no instagram and I can be a serial killer or something like that????? there is a million of other ways to know each other...but..well

Ever hear of Hanlon's Razor ? Most comments are easier to attribute to stupidity rather than real malice. Especially off-hand comments that betray just how uninformed the comment-maker is.
Exactly , and one learn to not pay atention to that cases, I mean, if you insult me, do it face to face
for that I dont respond to insults in facebook, from to time to time I'm tempted to track the guy and
catch it in the street

 

[drhowarddrfine]

I didn't know people used Facebook for social media with strangers. I was shocked to learn people actually got their news from there.

The only reason I got a Facebook account--just a few years ago--was because I went to a funeral and met some relatives I didn't know I had. They all told me to friend them on Facebook so we could chat.

That lasted a few years and now I rarely see any of them post anything there. So now I check it once a day--just in case--and move on to something else.

 

[Espionage724]

the internet is dead along time ago , I dont wanna sound nostalgic,but you remember when internet was for meeting people around the world? or in your country, but was so easy, the "msn" era

Around the world? Maybe that's the issue nowadays: having too-much access to the world!

When I opened up AIM on a library computer in middle school, I had no concept of worldwide internet; it was some local friends, and some random "game moderator" I met in an online game that scammed me nicely (Jagex moderator, runescape; I lost a dragon battleaxe ). My worldwide internet was limited to whoever was in an online game paying a subscription, and generally speaking, most gamers online were way more chill than today (I played vanilla WoW and Runescape pre-EoC; I had MySpace, friends in school, and FB was for colleges-only)

Reddit is worldwide. 10 year olds with iPads in a grocery store are in the same space as a paid actor in another country spreading dissension, the grandma down the street looking at cat photos, stocks bro #721 with coin #81 and why you should buy it, or any number of angry" gamers" protesting tomorrow's definition of woke. All of that might exist in isolated corners in the world to varying amounts, but is in-your-face accessible on Reddit if you stumble the wrong way. Toss in loneliness and grooming.

It wasn't that long ago "LetGirlsHaveFun" was on the front page daily for weeks; no NSFW tags.

 

[astyle]

I registered on LinkedIn about a year ago... and got into a discussion with a guy on the topic of getting kids to pay attention in class instead of to their phones. He was not a fan of physically separating the owners from phones (like have the kids turn phones into a drop bin as they enter the classroom), but what he tried to propose instead was outright illegal - he wanted to activate signal jammers on campus. I tried to point out that fine-tuning those for specific devices is technically impossible, but he was bullheaded, and cited years of 'IT support experience'. Eventually I had to point out that his idea would block even legitimate emergency services calls (Medical, fire, police) and is frankly a violation of US law on a federal level. Wow, he was pissed at me.

Shortly after registering on LinkedIn, I did browse it tjust to see what people are saying. But it was a short stay, I was sorely disappointed in people. I see stories of people leaving Facebook because they are disappointed in the noise there - I stopped logging into LinkedIn. Teams, however, slurps up my LinkedIn profile. So now I'm glad I policed myself and did not post a lot of frustrations.

It wasn't that long ago "LetGirlsHaveFun" was on the front page daily for weeks; no NSFW tags.

"LetGirlsHaveFun" is exactly what's needed to alleviate your loneliness, buddy. If you have at least some knowledge of what she considers to be a carrot, and at least some willingness to do it, you can expect reciprocity, seriously. If that is mentally too much to accept, expect the same treatment from 'em. You'll be surprised at where that gets you.

 

[Espionage724]

"LetGirlsHaveFun" is exactly what's needed to alleviate your loneliness, buddy. If you have at least some knowledge of what she considers to be a carrot, and at least some willingness to do it, you can expect reciprocity, seriously. If that is mentally too much to accept, expect the same treatment from 'em. You'll be surprised at where that gets you.

I was surprised at the content allowed on the front page (seems way more tame now off-front page ). The vibe of that place and male poster accusations made it look more questionable than a legit moral stance though.

 

[PMc]

in my country there is a phrase for that people "rambos de teclado"

Whew! I like that one.

I see same behavior on these very Forums... it's just a matter of what you choose to pay attention to.

Indeed, it is whether you pay attention. That is precisely why technical forums (be it bicycle repair or whatever else) still exist and somehow happen to work, while those that are based on contextual discussion have died away.

It is not a phenomenon of facebook or reddit or whatever being low quality. It is a general phenomenon of sociological change - due to mobile comms, globalization, information flooding, and other influences. Pending further analysis.

is receive likes o whetever they call it , and the woman...nothing is what is seems
for example, I meet a couple of womans , in date apps, when they know that I dont have instagram....
one just block me and the other says to me that she feel fear??? because I have no instagram and I can be a serial killer or something like that????? there is a million of other ways to know each other...but..well

After some "experience" of that kind, I decided to consider everybody online as a web-pseudo, until I get proof otherwise. But, concerned ones seem not to like that...

 

[PMc]

I registered on LinkedIn about a year ago... and got into a discussion with a guy on the topic of getting kids to pay attention in class instead of to their phones. He was not a fan of physically separating the owners from phones (like have the kids turn phones into a drop bin as they enter the classroom), but what he tried to propose instead was outright illegal - he wanted to activate signal jammers on campus. I tried to point out that fine-tuning those for specific devices is technically impossible, but he was bullheaded, and cited years of 'IT support experience'.

Indeed, there are now a lot of technically experienced people on the network, and they are very much used to tutor and instruct all the others who have no clue about the technology.

 

[wolffnx]

I registered on LinkedIn about a year ago... and got into a discussion with a guy on the topic of getting kids to pay attention in class instead of to their phones. He was not a fan of physically separating the owners from phones (like have the kids turn phones into a drop bin as they enter the classroom), but what he tried to propose instead was outright illegal - he wanted to activate signal jammers on campus. I tried to point out that fine-tuning those for specific devices is technically impossible, but he was bullheaded, and cited years of 'IT support experience'. Eventually I had to point out that his idea would block even legitimate emergency services calls (Medical, fire, police) and is frankly a violation of US law on a federal level. Wow, he was pissed at me.

Shortly after registering on LinkedIn, I did browse it tjust to see what people are saying. But it was a short stay, I was sorely disappointed in people. I see stories of people leaving Facebook because they are disappointed in the noise there - I stopped logging into LinkedIn. Teams, however, slurps up my LinkedIn profile. So now I'm glad I policed myself and did not post a lot of frustrations.


"LetGirlsHaveFun" is exactly what's needed to alleviate your loneliness, buddy. If you have at least some knowledge of what she considers to be a carrot, and at least some willingness to do it, you can expect reciprocity, seriously. If that is mentally too much to accept, expect the same treatment from 'em. You'll be surprised at where that gets you.

I dont know in other countries , but linkedin in my country is a open-monopolic bussines model for agencies
that use "recruiters" who invent the rules of getting a job
from "how to adapt your CV to get more views" "how to pass the AI filters that job agencies uses to view your postulation"
to "how to think" and "forget about your experience and modify your CV to what whe want"

 

[drhowarddrfine]

legitimate emergency services calls (Medical, fire, police)

The teachers can keep their phones. Schools have fire alarm devices in the hallways. Kids don't need phones in school.

When I owned my restaurants, phones were a big problem when we got busy and had to go find employees in the back room on their phone with a line of customers out the door.

 

[Espionage724]

I've had LinkedIn for years, no job offers, and barely use it It makes a nice place to show off credentials I guess, but my profile basically just sits for anyone else to view.

When I owned my restaurants, phones were a big problem when we got busy and had to go find employees in the back room on their phone with a line of customers out the door.

Heads would roll (if it wasn't an immediate bad financial decision )

 

[blackhole]

"Phone checking" is a big problem with these "millenial" types as soon as they enter the jobs market. It would be better for everyone if "no phones" was enforced during the school years.

At my workplace we recently took on two new people and I'm training them up. The younger of the two often defaults to playing with his phone once some task is finished. I usually raise an eyebrow as I walk past and that's enough for him to put it down. Seems to be the norm these days.