Danger.

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Unbelieveably, this used to be a common sight right next to the hospital entrance. Not so much now since they recently declared the 'smoke free zone'.
 
I read a place in sweden has put up automatic treat dispensers for crows which deliver a treat when a cigarette but is thrown into the collection funnel. Result was a clean park and each smoker is eagerly watched by a murder of crows, and maybe robbed of a half smoked cig.

And of course there is this result, known for a long time, but seldom mentioned in public news.
 
Maybe a strange way to start a thread with danger. But I'm an alcohol addict and cigarette addict. It's both danger. Feel free to elaborate. I will appreciate.
Hey Alain, it takes a lot of guts to say that on a public forum, I admire your courage. I wish you the very best of luck in kicking both those habits.

PS still looking forward to seeing some zig code samples :)
 
"Will Robinson"
Completing the sentence.

One's vices always catch you in the end.
And this is always at a most inopportune time.

Kinda like watching a really good movie, and the usher taps you on the shoulder and says, "time to leave."
 
this used to be a common sight right next to the hospital entrance.
Bad example. You'd better picked one with a patient wearing an oxygen mask.
But I agree, that's a common scene you can see at almost every hospital, yes.

The point is nicotine doesn't make you "stoned" like other drugs, which maybe the cause for it's being underestimated, but it's very highly addictive. According to this chart (sorry, only found the german version quickly; the ordinate shows the potential of addiction: the upper in the graph the quicker and harder the addiction) nicotine shares second place with morphine after #1 heroin.
To me this thing says everything anybody needs to know about nicotine.


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(source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droge )
 
I'd suggest taking your loved ones to a lake, a beach or, well, into nature. Remove shoes, feet in water, sun on the face and wind in the hair. And maybe some picknick. No need to get drunk.
That's not drug (ab)use. That's enjoying/living life to the max.
Drug (ab)usage is avoiding life.
 
Alcohol seems easy to over-do. I'm not a fan of the effects and don't drink.

Cigarette combustion smoking is harsh. I dry-herb vape tobacco leaf, and kind of like the energy boost it gives most of the time. I'd rather quit at some point though.

Cannabis is useful; extra creativity and time dialiation is fun :p
 
Cigarette combustion smoking is harsh.
When I was a kid around 12, I tried to smoke for some reason but couldn't figure it out cause I just sucked on the lit cigarette and blew the smoke out, sometimes coughing when it went the wrong way. I never inhaled intentionally.

When I was around 19, I went somewhere with friends on a long drive and they told me I needed to get used to it by inhaling small puffs. I tried that and I could feel it stuffing up my lungs and that was the last time I ever touched a cigarette again. "Why would anyone ever do this?", I asked myself.

Since then, I've had about 10 co-workers who have died from smoking related problems.
 
When I was a kid around 12, I tried to smoke for some reason but couldn't figure it out cause I just sucked on the lit cigarette and blew the smoke out, sometimes coughing when it went the wrong way. I never inhaled intentionally.

When I was around 19, I went somewhere with friends on a long drive and they told me I needed to get used to it by inhaling small puffs. I tried that and I could feel it stuffing up my lungs and that was the last time I ever touched a cigarette again. "Why would anyone ever do this?", I asked myself.

Since then, I've had about 10 co-workers who have died from smoking related problems.
I've been there too, haha, I was asked myself the same question too.
 
> I will force myself to do walks in the woods.

Green / ecotherapy. I heartily endorse this, especially with an ultralight pack, a hammock with top and under quilts, and just enough food and clothing to exist outdoors. Watching a bobcat, bear, or elk from a distance, being awoken by a curious owl hooting, trying to decide what exactly is this new caterpillar shaped thing suspended between two trees, or just the general commotion of a thousand birds all waking up with the dawn...these are connecting experiences. They are food for souls still adapted to connection and immersion in the natural world.

Or just nerd out on a new project. GPS & NTP seems somewhat popular, and I've learned one can go pretty deep and learn quite a lot while spending a lot less money on $nerdToys than substances.
 
a place in sweden has put up automatic treat dispensers for crows which deliver a treat when a cigarette but is thrown into the collection funnel. Result was a clean park
That's a good example for how clever ideas human think they have while they mess with complex systems not respecting them in full.
Think it through. What will happen?
As long as there is litter the crows keep the park clean, feeding themselves. Well feeded they multiply, and suppress other species. At some point the wished result of a clean park is reached - humans celebrate their cleverness. For the crows it means no food anymore, but high population. So, hungry crows expand to other territories suppress even more other species, causing new problems, such as "we have too many crows."
While at the same time smoker learn to search for other places to smoke, and humans still did not learn to dispose their litter into garbage cans and close the lids (Dammit!) instead feeding animals, and then being annoyed at overpopulations of pigeons, sparrows, crows, magpies, racoons, rats, mice, cockroaches, cats, dogs...

Out of laziness postpone an own problem to somebody else not responsible for it, thus not really solving the problem, cuz it's not solved at its root, but causing new, even more problems, instead to take the responsibility for the own actions in the first place, and actually solve the problem.

A lot of problems we face today are caused by exactly this kind of "cleverness."
Just as the tip of the iceberg for example ask the Africans, or Australians what they think of such "clever" ideas.
 
Out of laziness postpone an own problem to somebody else not responsible for it, thus not really solving the problem, cuz it's not solved at its root, but causing new, even more problems, instead to take the responsibility for the own actions in the first place, and actually solve the problem.
All 'solutions' are gonna be like that... you can try one thing, only to discover that it's got issues, try the next thing, only to discover it's got issues, as well... just like the recursive dependency hell pattern. If it's not cigarette butts, we're gonna have food wrappers, condoms, cheap phones that no longer work, shoes... refrigerators, cars, and even whole unusable buildings litter the landscape.
 
All 'solutions' are gonna be like that.
I contradict.
I agree insofar as real solutions sometimes are hard to achieve.
The "clever" way is much easier, and quicker, plus there often is lots of money in it, so when problems are not actually solved but replaced by others, even more ones, the money flow stays, or even grows. That's why "economical competent" politicians enthuse those. Plus those "solutions" are easy to get a majority for. They are easy to explain plausibly, because they only view at a limited, so simplified section of the whole, and they're easy, quickly and cheap to achieve.
But they don't solve anything really in the long term, only replace a problem by others.

Real problem solutions need effort, often need change of habits, change of points of view, large debates in society, change of societies,... but they are not impossible.
There are not only whole books by experts explaining how to achieve real solutions on any field, but there are also lots of examples about real solutions achieved.

To stay in the topic let's take a look at "smaller", individual problems to be solved - the "clever", and an actual real way:
Imagine some one has an addiction to drugs (alcohol, nicotine, THC.)
One suppose to seem clever solution was to focus on something else instead, for example instead eating sweets. The result could be this person may actually stop smoking, but instead now is addicted to sugar, which may even lead to binge eating.
So, problem not solved, but simply replaced by another one. Maybe less problematic. Maybe worse. Depends on the addiction, and the replacement. In this example the person burdens new, additional loads to her body through binge eating, while the ones from the former addiciton are not healed yet.
So, no actual solution, really.
Especially not, when the person backslides again the result may be: Formerly she just smoked. Now she smokes and binge eats.
Alcoholics and nicotine addicts have an extremely high risk to backslide.

For sure walks in nature are never a bad idea, but always a good and supporting thing, no question. But they are highly questionable to be the only cure when it comes to real addictions on nicotine and alcohol.

For a real solution at first needs to be understood: When it comes to a real drug addiciton there is not "just some bad habits", only, (that's what drhowarddrfine or kent_dorfman766 described), but also psychological addictions, and above all - depending on substances, the amount of time, doses taken - actually real physical addictions.
Those cause withdrawal symptoms. Both physical and psychological ones. And you don't need heroine to get heavy withdrawal symptoms. Nicotine, and alcohol already can, and with a real addiction will cause a lot of symptoms. Heavy symptoms. Sometimes even so strong they need medical treatment. Do you not underestimate that! We are not talking strawberry chewing gum here.
Anyway, for many they are too extreme to hold out. That's why "cold turkey" not seldom fails (While it's always the best first shot you give it anyway.)
And they last long. For nicotine the hardest withdrawal symptoms are over within a few days, but the longing for a cigarette ("Just let me smell, only") will last months, even years. That's why many addicts - especially smokers, especially alcoholics - not get rid of their shit, really, but easily backslide, even ten years after they thought they were over the shit. They always find waterproof explanations to not really solve their problem, at least not "now", but another time ("Next year! Really!! I promise!!!" - You can put your back on a person, but never on a drug), or why it's useless to even try stopping, find reasons to continue ("I simply love smoking." - yeah. right. sure. most times being single handed, while holding a cigarette in the other hand is fantastic. stepping out every half an hour, hastily do some quick pulls, freezing in wind and rain, is lovely. i spent a middle class Mercedes on cigarettes. that's very nice. but the best part are the sudden cough attacks, and the every morning almost barfing while brushing your teeths. man, how i miss that. what's not to love about this? what do you love most about smoking? the overflowing ashtray on your desk? the lack of oxygen support at even lightest bodily work? the loss of smell and taste? it's the pale skin and stink of cigarette smokes that makes one so attractive to others, right? especially to potential new partners. but no, let me guess: it's the bulletproof stress resistance only smokers have. yeah, always totally cool. a solid rock. especially when the package is almost empty, and you know there will be no new one for the next 24h. or you had no smoke for several hours. really deep relaxation, nobody and nothing else can provide such. but i could list hundreds of things, i know i miss the real reason why you love smoking: i simply do not understand why, right?)

I know, what I'm talking, because I not only witnessed several alcoholics and nicotine addicts, but I've been through all of this myself.

Especially when drugs are combined, the problem is more complex. There is a real danger to shift from one drug to the other, e.g. drink more alcohol while trying to stop smoking, or vice versa.

At second for a real solution also needs to be understood, in all cases of drug abuse there are always issues involved not known to be handled another way.
Those can be just small, and harmless things like: "I just have an after work beer to relax/celebrate ('because I don't know [yet] another way.')"
Nicotine and alcohol are in most of our societies the #1 drugs to deal with stress quickly and easily - the "clever" way. On the one hand, our societies produce a lot of stress, but on the other hand they neither teach other ways, nor leave time to deal with it better. ("Just get yourself a drink, and distract yourself! - problem(s) solved, quickly and easy.")
The amount of time alone may convert something harmless into something serious - mostly unrecognized until it's too late. So, many alcoholics, and nicotine addicts became addicted just because of long term usage, instead of dealing with stress better ways, as we also see some good examples how to do that here.
But dealing with stress better will also not do it alone anymore if a real addiction was already developed.

Additionally drugs often are abused for unresolved issues from a personal past. The soldier became an alcoholic are a classic example. But there are many, many more causes, often deeply buried in the unconscious self. Another example was a failed partnership, the not understanding for the why it failed, and the impossibility to find, and solve the according issues for future partnerships by oneself.
And there are many more causes, why people abuse drugs, flee from reality, avoid life.

Depending on how deep some one already is in the rabbit hole, it simply cannot be solved anymore just with "good walks at the fresh air" - no matter how good and recommendable they are in any case. At a certain point the "clever" solutions, shifting problems won't help anymore, but real solutions have to be engaged, or the catastrophy is unavoidable.
Problems need to be solved at their roots. Disguise of symptoms are not enough.

At the latest if some one admits to addictions, wants to get rid of those, and tried for some years, but failed, at least it needs be checked, how deep one is in the rabbit hole. If there is a chance to get out of it alone, or if professional help is indicated.
Anything else then was kind of a mislead, distraction, but anyway only leads deeper into the rabbit hole.
If this is not stopped, it's only a question of time really bad things happen.
Better avoid that in time.

But, as I said, I can only advice, not help.
 
Real problem solutions need effort, often need change of habits, change of points of view, large debates in society, change of societies,... but they are not impossible.
OK, who needs to change habits and views?

Is it the rank-and-file individual smoker, or is it the cigarette maker? When you make billions off people's bad habits, you've got an economic interest in fighting for your source of income. A 'real' solution would be to create a situation where it's not economically viable to even be a cigarette maker. [sarcasm] Just think about the benefits - no need to invent machines for crows to dump cigarette butts into, no need to hire security guards to tell people to not smoke around hospital entrances, no need to blow money on 'smoking prohibited' signage, we'll have a healthier population...[/sarcasm]. Tons of money saved, cigarette problem solved, just from making the cigarettes into something that has no economic value to anyone.

People start smoking (and other bad habits) because they're bored and stressed. You gonna give everyone a puppy, just so that the people don't smoke? The problem is, then you gotta come up with a way to tell everyone to pick up dog poop or face enforcement for non-compliance. You gonna stop giving everyone puppies? everyone relapses back to smoking.

That's why there's no such thing as 'real solution'. 'Real solutions' only exist as something that can be computed by FreeBSD. Everything else is gonna have holes, because you can only take it so far. And taking things too far can and will backfire.
 
Bad example. You'd better picked one with a patient wearing an oxygen mask.
It was taken from this article

It actually took them 10 years from the date of that article to get it done:-
 
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