Other Comparison of various Window Managers

The first distinction I'd make is that window managers and desktop environments are not the same thing. I think power users are most happy with a minimal window manager and the ability to run any ad-hoc application they desire. Desktop environments sometimes have a less than honorable "agenda".
 
The first distinction I'd make is that window managers and desktop environments are not the same thing. I think power users are most happy with a minimal window manager and the ability to run any ad-hoc application they desire. Desktop environments sometimes have a less than honorable "agenda".
I see that myths are still alive and kicking.
 
In my world, "I think...." often precedes one expressing an opinion, not a "truth" and "sometimes" expresses an outlier, not a generalization.

Big difference between "All DE's have a less than honorable agenda" and "DE's sometimes have a less than honorable agenda".

Opinions are quite different from myths.
 
Windowmaker and fvwm do everything I need. Except on high DPI screens like my new 4K screen, where I use kde plasma for the time being on high DPI, but I still use mostly classic X11 programs like xterm.
I am hoping that windowmaker will add high DPI support sometime, I think there has been some initial work done.
 
In my world, "I think...." often precedes one expressing an opinion, not a "truth" and "sometimes" expresses an outlier, not a generalization.

Big difference between "All DE's have a less than honorable agenda" and "DE's sometimes have a less than honorable agenda".

Opinions are quite different from myths.
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"I think we never landed on the moon."
"I think vaccines are used to control people."
"I think the CIA organized 9/11."

Opinions are not necessarily different from myths.
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(and of course this is my list post in this thread).
 
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

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I use cwm. My problem is that, to me, Windows Vista and related constitute the epitomy of asthetic perfection, but everything else about them is horrid. I know, that almost makes me a heretic round these parts. I find the macintosh asthetic horrendous, rounded corners bother me, the "make everything cute" asthetic bothers me. It bothers me on my own screen, though, I really am not bothered by what other people use. Plasma used to offer a nice compromise, where people of my inclination had a safe haven. That recently disappeard, as they also macintoshized. So, left without any real way to get the look I want, I finally lunged and went with "no look, just launch the program in a pure state as is."

It has changed my life. I don't even have borders for windows. Cwm has ruined me.
 
Desktop environments sometimes have a less than honorable "agenda".
I guess that kind of crept in around 2010? I suppose any large collection of software that people rely on is ripe for corruption.

That said, outside of DEs and into smaller things, there was a slight trend for authors of i.e cracks for windows to get on their high horse when they released something interesting. They would use that opportunity to tell others "whats what" and use it to push their own agenda. I see it a tiny bit with certain Wayland compositors today. I guess it can be summarized as "self-centered kids using the internet".
 
Wow, as I've said in the past, these forums can derail a discussion the same way any discussion gets derailed on It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. lost_in_c to be pedantic, it's actually, The lady doth protest too much,methinks, though popular usage seems to have made the version you use more common. I always thought that was the quote till I read Hamlet.
Anyway, without picking fights about definitions, to me a Desktop Environment is one like Gnome, KDE, or even the somewhat lighter ones like XFCE, which have built in applications to run printers, etc. I dunno if that's correct or not, but if I'm speaking with people who are used to Linux/*BSD, they usually know what I mean.

For myself, I prefer openbox with tint2, or dwm. If I had to use wayland, I can use labwc or dwl to have an almost identical experience.
 
In my opinion, "Desktop Environments" are what we seek when we are used to a common commercial offering, such as Windows or Macintosh, and we don't want to read a book to turn the computer on.

But once you realize the extent to which everything is a config file, you start resenting the dictatorial feel of a "DE," and becoming less forgiving of slow, laggy, or buggy behaviour. If you think of your favourite window manager as a DE, you think "well it's pretty bare bones, requires a lot of configuring, but it's functional." If you think the opposite, of your favourite "DE" as a window manager, you think "what deranged mind designed this unweildy boehemoth? What is all this hardcoded insanity?"

In life, however, one must be practical. You can't dedicate time to everything, sometimes a "DE" is what will suit you best. Undoubtedly, all the opaqueness of it does leave it open for agenda injections. Top pretend otherwise is to be suspect, and I am pretty sure everybody who eventually switched to something minimal has experiences of noticing things about a "DE" that definitely is not a funcitonal necesity or even a luxury or asthetic improvement, it is simply weird code doing weird things.

People have all sorts of reasons for all sorts of things. The fewer avenus you leave open, the less they can arbitrarily inflict them on you.

Maybe more importantly, keeping things small gives your computer unbelievable power, the amount of resources that get freed up is ridiculous, and the comfort lost along the way is comparatively marginal. It's a pretty whacky resource economy, likely only possible because of the entry barrier to understanding more or less the3 hazy outline of what a personal computer does behind the curtains.
 
In my world, "I think...." often precedes one expressing an opinion, not a "truth" and "sometimes" expresses an outlier, not a generalization.

Big difference between "All DE's have a less than honorable agenda" and "DE's sometimes have a less than honorable agenda".

Opinions are quite different from myths.
Yes, even at 4AM I wanted to phrase it as opinions. There will be those who get it, and those who don't...sigh.
 
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