Claws-Mail versus Eudora

jmos said:
Time to tell that I don't use SeaMonkeys mail client - I'm using just the web browser. Claws Mail is the one I'm using. I've used Thunderbird years ago for a few months, but the concept of saving many mails in one file is to fragile - seen to many users with that format loosing their mail spool (and IMAP isn't an option - my private and commercial stuff is nothing I want / being allowed to lay around on servers out of my control). Claws Mail gives me MH. Save, usable by scripts, controllable.
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Actually Thunderbird is able to use Maildir instead of Mbox - you just have to enable it before creating your account. Image shows Thunderbird 78.X. This though is one of the newer options, so probably was not around when you used it.
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bsduck: programs under BSD which do offer that view are Evolution and Kmail. Evolution is quite slow, and Kmail relies on Akonadi which never worked well for me and pulls tons of KDE dependencies in it as well.

No, thanks, I would really much like to have that view in Thunderbird, because I like Thunderbird as many other people as well, I'm using some addons as well and I don't know if these would work with other programs or the functionality is in them. Thunderbird wants to be an all purpose every day mailer, but not having that view in it really is a big shortcoming of it. People have been asking the developers to change that view since ages, but unfortunately it doesn't get the love here it deserves.
 
Jose said:
I've been using some form of Mozilla mail for decades, and recently they've become more shiny and less useful with every release.
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I was thinking here that this is a (stupid) trend, see windows 11 for example, I saw people complaining about cut-off funcionality such as the taskbar (you can't resize it anymore) and Microsoft keep updating file search and colors and other stupid things. And even worse, they've managed to cut-off even the registry hacks to fix what was wrong (same for firefox, they've removed the compact mode and there's a proposal of making it unfixable by hacks, which is really stupid).
 
Never used Eudora, been using Claws-mail for a while with both POP and IMAP. Works just fine.
Dabbled with Thunderbird for a while, but it's "too much". Too big, too many resources, too much of everything.
I'm of the opinion that email is text, with attachments. When that used to be the norm, Pine and Mutt were my standard.
 
I like Thunderbird and I find it quite comfortable as well as powerful. It can handle GB of mailbox quite fast, it also supports multi-account.

The WebUI of my email provider is not this good and it is also slow compared with Gmail, Thunderbird allows me to use my email handy and quickly.
 
hardworkingnewbie said:
Actually Thunderbird is able to use Maildir instead of Mbox - you just have to enable it before creating your account. Image shows Thunderbird 78.X. This though is one of the newer options, so probably was not around when you used it.
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I tried this recently, and discovered it does not play well with the "Just mark it as deleted" server option. The messages stay in the folder forever, just with the title crossed out and a red "x" next to them. This is probably because the "compact" option doesn't do anything when using maildir format.

This bug was supposedly fixed 7 years ago, but I'm not the only one who finds this behavior recently.
 
grahamperrin said:
I love that my local LanguageTool server can work:
– thanks, Mozilla; thanks Thunderbird. Thanks for making decisions that are ultimately for the better, for the users of your products.
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A whole Java server just for spell check? Or you could of course just send everything you type to https://languagetool.org/. Just for freakin' spell check.

But hey, it works with all those browsers you list. Bravo!
 
Spell check, grammer check, autocorrect? Heck I always turn that stuff off because they are annoying. I'll correct my own mistakes, I don't need the program to do that.
 
Jose said:
it works with all those browsers
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Notably:
  • Mozilla Firefox,
  • Thunderbird, which I also listed.
Thunderbird is not a primarily a web browser, although it can browse the web.

Jose said:
… legacy add-ons, … they sure learned the hate-your-users product management techniques well from their former parents. …
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Do you imagine that the developers of LanguageTool would have wasted time continuing to develop add-ons for a niche, legacy technology that was on its way out?

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Jose said:
send everything you type to https://languagetool.org/.
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It's not so blunt.

Things are easily configured to be selective, however for this type of thing I prefer to send nothing to a third party.

I chose LanguageTool, not Grammarly, because LanguageTool allows checking and corrections to be confined to the notebook that I use ☑
 
grahamperrin said:
Do you imagine that the developers of LanguageTool would have wasted time continuing to develop add-ons for a niche, legacy technology that was on its way out?
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I imagine the makers of Languagetool are looking to make some money selling stats about what you type. Heck, their use of Google Analytics is right there in their privacy policy. Bully for you if you don't mind. I find Thunderbird's built-in support for foreign language dictionaries excellent.

And in any case, neither addresses my problem. In Spanish "ano" and "año" are both correctly spelled words. One means "year". The other means "anus". You can see the awkwardness that could arise when trying to wish someone a happy new year. I can type the latter in Firefox because of Abctajpu, which works reasonably well once you get used to its quirks. Zombiekeys was easier to use, but alas it was lost in the great extensions bonfire.
 
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Jose awesome example. I'll admit to being native English speaker with very limited other language ability, but that is a dimension I never thought about. English (American and "British") has a lot of words that are pronounced the same but spelled differently and mean drastically different things. Your example shows English misses more fun with "I don't know what to call the tilde over the n".
Thank you for giving me a reason to lol for a bit today.
 
Jose said:
… I find Thunderbird's built-in support for foreign language dictionaries excellent. …
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I don't doubt it ? but LanguageTool does catch some things, including grammar, that I would otherwise miss.

The shots below are of Firefox, but the effect in Thunderbird is the same. These are recent genuine mistakes (not contrived for this discussion):

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In that third shot, I edited the word three or four times before it was truly correct. I had real difficulty telling what was wrong until I looked away for a while, then looked afresh.
 
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