Will FreeBSD be available in California in 2027?

atax1a said:
i thought this was conclusively proven to be misinformation by way of slop (which would explain why llaquet bought it)
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Ah, so you are talking about me in secret now, eh? Without properly referring to me. I see. I see. I like being called Llaquet, though. It gives me gravitas, as if I were a scholar instead of a dunce.

On the other hand, I can't afford to buy much. I'm quite poor.

Finally, esteemed atax1a, as usual you are assuming 90% of the story. That I post something doesn't mean that I agree or disagree with it, just that I find it relevant for the discussion.
 
I live in CA where they are trying to take all our money and everything else we own.

I suppose one can always drive to Reno NV to buy things banned in CA… same as everybody already does now.

I had to go out of my county to buy a water heater replacement that is banned in my county due to smog laws.
 
bgavin said:
I had to go out of my county to buy a water heater replacement that is banned in my county due to smog laws.
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The only bad thing, you could drive to another jurisdiction and get the item.
You should not be able to work around environmental laws.

This stuff is not "freedom". The smog moves. It doesn't have residence or nationality.

I'm not saying California is not trying to overtax you. It is just that this example cuts directly into nature protection, so not a good one. The smog generating part you want to use has consequences on everyone around you. The part cannot perform its basic function without polluting the environment.
 
Zare said:
The only bad thing, you could drive to another jurisdiction and get the item.
You should not be able to work around environmental laws.

This stuff is not "freedom". The smog moves. It doesn't have residence or nationality.

I'm not saying California is not trying to overtax you. It is just that this example cuts directly into nature protection, so not a good one. The smog generating part you want to use has consequences on everyone around you. The part cannot perform its basic function without polluting the environment.
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I guess we are talking politics now. Good to know the Forum's rules are so flexible.

That said, you are assuming that California's laws make any sense and really serve for their intended purpose and that bgavin is a fellow who doesn't care about contaminating. Those are too many assumptions for my taste.
 
Oh?! This seems to be an interesting thought experiment topic/opportunity.

Smog laws are typically geared towards moving from one tech to another. -e.g. Gas -> Electric.

So can we say:
1. It took x amount of energy to produce thing 1.
2. It took y amount of energy to produce thing 2.
3. thing 2 is supposed to replace thing 1.
4. If I replace thing 1 with thing 2 before thing 1 breaks beyond repair, am I wasting energy (the remainder of x amount used to make thing 1)?
5. How much electric is produced by gas/green in your county vs other in state?
...
 
Smog does move.
Sacramento county bans water heater but adjacent Placer county 5 miles away sells it without restriction.

The virtue signaler here lives in Spain and is utterly clueless about how CA operates.

Denying FBSD in CA is a typical move. Virtue signalers are alive and well in CA as demonstrated by this endless stupidity.

America only contributes 19% of the worlds carbon footprint.
 
Crivens said:
For how many % of the world population? And does it include all the CO2 which stems from the goods imported into the US?
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That's cheating. Buying goods is already consumption anyway. They buy what they need, right? Are you trying to shift the emission of fabricated products to the seller?
But I really doubt it anyway. 20% emission for 4.4% of the world population, what's that based on?
 
bgavin said:
Smog does move.
Sacramento county bans water heater but adjacent Placer county 5 miles away sells it without restriction.

The virtue signaler here lives in Spain and is utterly clueless about how CA operates.

Denying FBSD in CA is a typical move. Virtue signalers are alive and well in CA as demonstrated by this endless stupidity.

America only contributes 19% of the worlds carbon footprint.
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I am a virtue signaler?!?!?!?!?! I only protested that someone was making assumptions. Have you read my post carefully? Maybe my English is not good enough. Also, sorry for living in Spain, if that bothers you. I'm also a Spaniard, if that makes you dislike me more.
 
I didn't know what a 'virtue signaler' was but it must be something bad (based on the number of exclamation points) so I looked it up. ...calling someone a name just because they disagree with you isn't right in my book (I guess in this case it would be more of a "label" but...). o.0
 
our experience is that people who call other people "virtue signalers" are just admitting that they hold no virtues themselves. that whole accusation/confession dynamic, ya know?
 
MG said:
They buy what they need, right?
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Sometimes, sometimes not. The Johnsons down the street, you know?
And you need to consider that the production creates CO2, in china mostly. Is that accounted for in the "19%" that are quoted here? If not, it is way more.
 
AlfredoLlaquet said:
I am a virtue signaler?!?!?!?!?! I only protested that someone was making assumptions. Have you read my post carefully? Maybe my English is not good enough. Also, sorry for living in Spain, if that bothers you. I'm also a Spaniard, if that makes you dislike me more.
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I don't do pity parties.
I could not care less if you are a Spaniard or not, and I do not dislike you.

However, you chose to call me out by name as not caring about contamination.
This makes you a virtue signaler.
You do not live in CA, nor in America, so you really are totally clueless about the insanity that actually goes on in California.

I am not at all surprised that CA talks of banning FBSD here.
This is the very essence of virtue signaling.

Those wanting to see total emissions by country can find it here:
 
bgavin said:
I don't do pity parties.
I could not care less if you are a Spaniard or not, and I do not dislike you.

However, you chose to call me out by name as not caring about contamination.
This makes you a virtue signaler.
You do not live in CA, nor in America, so you really are totally clueless about the insanity that actually goes on in California.

I am not at all surprised that CA talks of banning FBSD here.
This is the very essence of virtue signaling.

Those wanting to see total emissions by country can find it here:
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I said "you are assuming [...] that bgavin is a fellow who doesn't care about contaminating." That means that I don't agree with the assumption. It's quite clear for me.

I didn't read the rest of the post I'm replying to, just the first three lines. You are very rude. I couldn't care less about what you say. Adiós.
 
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New York is also working to implement a law requiring age verification, but in the case of the New York law, S8102A, self-reporting is forbidden, and it appears that the user will have to submit a copy of their photo ID, and also a picture of themselves.

In the past I've had to use similar verification systems while working with Social Security and the Medicare system, and if the AI comparing the two photos doesn't like your face, that is it, you're dead in the water. It could be that in the future, a lot of people simply won't be allowed to use a computer.
 
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If FreeBSD wants to do something about this I'm okay with Midnight's solution: "We give some base scaffolding that satisfies the letter of the laws, but it's up to you to ensure it is used correctly".
 
bgavin said:
You do not live in CA, nor in America, so you really are totally clueless about the insanity that actually goes on in California.
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I'm a former California resident, and I can vouch for the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people sleeping on the streets of California each and every night (not tens of thousands as the state government claims) and this goes on, the politicians in Sacramento are supposedly worried about age verification on operating system installations. What is going on in California is truly insane.
 
Cedric62 said:
New York is also working to implement a law requiring age verification, but in the case of the New York law, S8102A, self-reporting is forbidden, and it appears that the user will have to submit a copy of their photo ID, and also a picture of themselves.

In the past I've had to use similar verification systems while working with Social Security and the Medicare system, and if the AI comparing the two photos doesn't like your face, that is it, you're dead in the water. It could be that in the future, a lot of people simply won't be allowed to use a computer.
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This is indeed the age to come.

Formerly, when a software did someway fail for some people, that was considered a bug having been found, and had to be fixed in the software. Nowadays, when a software fails for somebody, it is stated that it works in most cases and that is considered "good enough" - and for those where it fails, it is their problem and they can see to it. Which is quite difficult when you get neither the sources for the OS nor for the software.

But this has come a long way. Maybe 10 or 15 years ago the local transport service decided to move their tickets from paper slips to some kind of chip-card. The transport conditions say that the passenger is oblidged to present a valid ticket - but the chip-card in itself is NOT a valid ticket, only after proof-of-payment is loaded onto the chip-card, that data would be the valid ticket.
So I wrote to the company and asked, what I am supposed to do to ensure that this chip-card does always work and is free of bugs.
They wrote back that I do not need to do anything.

A few years later happened what could have been expected to happen: that chip-card did not answer anything on ticket-inspection. Not that it was reporting empty, it reported just nothing. So then, the ticket inspectors had order to call the police, everybody had to wait, and I had to pay 60 € fine for fare dodging (in addition to the fare already paid).
 
Cedric62 said:
I'm a former California resident, and I can vouch for the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people sleeping on the streets of California each and every night (not tens of thousands as the state government claims) and this goes on, the politicians in Sacramento are supposedly worried about age verification on operating system installations. What is going on in California is truly insane.
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I just visited San Francisco and can confirm this to be true. What's worse is that it's normalized so nobody bats an eye when you walk past 4 makeshift shelters out of trash. Rolling blackouts are also common, which was made worse by the fact none of the windows of the buildings there had any insulation.
 
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