Will FreeBSD be available in California in 2027?

The courts could strike or put it in abeyance under the 'void for vagueness' doctrine, or under contract law between buyer and seller of, or coder and user of, the product under contract unfeasability clause rulings. For starters. [[
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When asking Duck-Duck-Go the following question:

California age assurance act: what is the definition of an app store?

I received this answer:

Definition of an App Store​

An app store is defined as any publicly available internet website, software application, online service, or platform that distributes and facilitates the download of applications from third-party developers to users of a computer, mobile device, or any other general-purpose computing device.

Key Characteristics​

  • Public Availability: The app store must be accessible to the general public.
  • Distribution of Applications: It serves as a platform for users to download applications developed by third parties.
  • Device Compatibility: App stores cater to various devices, including computers and mobile devices.

This definition is crucial for understanding the obligations and regulations imposed by the California Digital Age Assurance Act, which applies to these platforms in the context of age verification and user safety.

So when using this definition:
  • The FreeBSD pkg system uses a software application run on a computer that runs the FreeBSD operating system.
  • The FreeBSD pkg repository is an online service, publicly available on the internet.
  • The FreeBSD pkg packaging method, version control and service form a platform that distributes and facilitates the download of applications from third-party developers to users of a computer running the FreeBSD operating system.
I reckon that quacks like a duck!
Except... you don't need an appstore 'account' to install software using 'pkg'. I think that is the essential difference. With apple or android, you need an 'account', and to 'log in', and to provide them with payment details, card number etc. What you have on freebsd or linux is just a software repository, without any user 'accounts'. So I don't think freebsd's pkg system can be said to be an 'appstore' as such. There is no user registration or payment system.
 
I frankly think that the law is aimed at Microsoft and Apple to begin with. They are the ones with the questionable practice of using OS-level accounts to tease out real, personal information on people who may turn out to be minors. The BSD/Linux camp is generally safe in that regard.

Microsoft owns Teams. Apple owns iTunes. Both are connected to OS-level accounts. Both Microsoft and Apple also own services for which they can charge a subscription fee. And if you sign up to pay for something that's owned by Microsoft and/or Apple - that's when you get your OS-level account tied to your real information. BSD and Linux camps don't do that.

Microsoft also teased out my real information and tied it to my OS-level (on Windows, of course) account because I used my personal email to sign into Teams (which I do kind of need IRL).

When that kind of playbook is used on a person who turns out to be a minor - yeah, that's a problem. And that's the point of that California law to begin with.

BSDs and Linux have nothing to worry about. In fact, this very well can turn out to be in their best interests, the userbase will actually increase as people seek an escape from the highly questionable practices (by Microsoft and Apple) that I have just described.

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You may remember some time ago, when I pronounced the prophecy that only Windows and MacOS (and maybe some kind of commercial linux) will remain permitted to connect to the internet, while the other OS, and specifically those with open source that can be compiled (and controlled) by the users themselves, will be banned from use (by private people, at least).

I didn't think this would become reality so quickly.

Most people have lost track on how modern IT actually came to be and how it works (or were never interested in such, to begin with). Specifically politicians have no longer any idea about anything, except their own agenda (money for nothing, chicks for free). So when they are told there is an issue (like parents abandoning their children to the internet, which was promised to them as the new babysitter), they will simply ask their advisors what to do.
Practically all of these advisors are lobbyists pursuing the interest of the big corps.

So, in terms of IT, the advisors come from Google and Apple, and they will advise so that their smartphones get properly treated as desired, while anything else they want to get rid of anyway, since only smartphones can make sure the users have no rights and do properly pay for their advertisement feeds.
 
I have a much better and free solution. Better parenting. Forbid your child from accessing the things this is attempting to protect them from. Things like Reddit.
I have an even better solution: my kids grew up not with draconian censorship in the home but with guidance and education.
 
I found this video regarding who is behind California AB 1043, and I hope that I'm able to post the below link so that others can see it. Very interesting.

Code:
Who's behind the California Age Verification Law?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_x4Q0_RQQs
 
I found this video regarding who is behind California AB 1043, and I hope that I'm able to post the below link so that others can see it. Very interesting.

Code:
Who's behind the California Age Verification Law?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_x4Q0_RQQs
As he says, putting it into the o/s is both onerous and unnecessary. Interesting video.
 
Finding the Mozilla Foundations name on the list of supporters is one of the more disappointing aspects of this debacle.
I wondered if they'd ever discuss this in their newsletter. One would think this would be the kind of thing they'd put out an emergency newsletter about. Now I see they will not because they're in support of it.
Their doublespeak on protecting Internet freedom becomes even harder to believe when they've just delivered our key personal information into the hands of their so called opponents.
One can only dream for a day when they divest Firefox from their control so that we may all divest ourselves from them.
 
Then we really have to wonder what this is really all about.
As the guy in the video says at the outset, the age checking belongs in the content provider layer, not in the operating system. It appears to be a bunch of content provider companies who have lobbied to get it pushed into the operating system, so they don't have to do it. Why do programs like 'ls' and 'vi' need to know what your age is?
 
As the guy in the video says at the outset, the age checking belongs in the content provider layer, not in the operating system. It appears to be a bunch of content provider companies who have lobbied to get it pushed into the operating system, so they don't have to do it. Why do programs like 'ls' and 'vi' need to know what your age is?
What is the age checking from content provider? You see question "What is your birth year" or "Are you 18+ Yes/No". The user can enter anything and content provider says "I have age verification". At OS level, (probably) there is sysadmin and regular user (under 18 years). If the sysadmin defines that this user is under 18 or 16 years, the OS and all apps know it. And the user has no privileges to change this. Someone will say "but most PC users have admin privileges". The law definition: "Operating system provider" means a person or entity that develops, licenses, or controls the operating system software on a computer. Sounds like the owner of PC is responsible to limit privileges and enter necessary info for users.
 
What is the age checking from content provider? You see question "What is your birth year" or "Are you 18+ Yes/No". The user can enter anything and content provider says "I have age verification". At OS level, (probably) there is sysadmin and regular user (under 18 years). If the sysadmin defines that this user is under 18 or 16 years, the OS and all apps know it. And the user has no privileges to change this. Someone will say "but most PC users have admin privileges". The law definition: "Operating system provider" means a person or entity that develops, licenses, or controls the operating system software on a computer. Sounds like the owner of PC is responsible to limit privileges and enter necessary info for users.
So, presumably that means they can charge you with an offence if you entered a false age. That doesn't sound any different to me to entering a false age in a web browser to get access to a porn site. Someone told me a few weeks ago that when they started using face-id to verify age on some porn sites, some school kids in the uk were using photos of the prime minister or other well-known people to get access. 😁

Maybe they are hoping that parents will enter the correct age on the system. I don't see how entering the age one time on the operating system is any more likely to get you a correct age than entering an age on a website. How can it ever be enforced?
 
Maybe they are hoping that parents will enter the correct age on the system.
That may be the goal for some companies involved. Because parents are the administrators, and administrators must be trusted to do "the right thing". So, with great sadness, it will be decided that nobody can be the admin on their own system because you can not be trusted. Microsoft is trying very hard to get you into their cloud, with no way back and all access for whoever pays/threatens them. I bet they will love that.
 
Oh.. so this is putting the emphasis on end users to police themselves, instead of content providers policing their content. So instead of some video content provider policing that they aren't providing a lot of videos telling kids that they need to do harmful things to themselves, its up to the end user to police himself. They must have had some advice from the tobacco industry. So that explains why content platform companies have been lobbying for it, since it absolves them of all responsibility and eliminates the business costs of policing the content that they are serving.
 
That may be the goal for some companies involved. Because parents are the administrators, and administrators must be trusted to do "the right thing". So, with great sadness, it will be decided that nobody can be the admin on their own system because you can not be trusted. Microsoft is trying very hard to get you into their cloud, with no way back and all access for whoever pays/threatens them. I bet they will love that.
Yes, so you end up being a "service user", like someone using a telephone handset or cable TV, and MS or whoever gets a constant revenue stream, like a phone company. You can't be trusted to have a computer yourself.
 
Yes, so you end up being a "service user", like someone using a telephone handset or cable TV, and MS or whoever gets a constant revenue stream, like a phone company. You can't be trusted to have a computer yourself.
Our local TelCo is floating plans to have AI agents in all calls which you can summon by saying "Hello Magenta" which is supposed to help you with matters. I just hope we are not so far up idiocracy creek that people can't vote with their wallet (and law suits, come to think of this). Not long and we will have ads cut into phone calls...
 
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Our local TelCo is floating plans to have AI agents in all calls which you can summon by saying "Hello Magenta" which is supposed to help you with matters. I just hope we are not so far up idiocracy creek that people can't vote with their wallet (and law suits, come to think of this). Not long and we will have ads cut into phone calls...
So they could be recording every phone call, or listening for key words like "bombs". It doesn't sound good, in fact it sounds like the end of private and confidential person-to-person voice calls. You will need to be very careful what you say on the phone, with every word being listened to, or rather, someone else (ie, "Magenta") listening in to everything that is said. The only thing left is snail-mail, AFAIK they're not opening letters to read them yet.

"The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment."
 
The only thing left is snail-mail, AFAIK they're not opening letters to read them yet.
Oh they did that, big time, in the railcars carrying mail between BRD/DDR and back, so you could have letters which were opened twice in transit.
And of course you can depend on telephones being listened to. I always joke that the internet rollout here is so slow because the spooks' budget is not enough to have the full take if they were going full steam ahead. And I hate it when my cynism is only prophecy in a different coat.
 
Maybe they are hoping that parents will enter the correct age on the system. I don't see how entering the age one time on the operating system is any more likely to get you a correct age than entering an age on a website. How can it ever be enforced?
If you are parent and want to limit access of your child to adult content, you will enter valid age. If you don't care, then you will give admin rights and leave the child to do whatever wants. The law will not protect everybody but will have noticeable effect. It is like seat belt in car - it will not save you from all accidents but in many cases can save your life.

The difference between entering the age one time in OS and website is that in OS the age is entered by admin/parent and on website is entered by the child. If child wants access, he/she is smart enough to lie and enter necessary age.
 
So, presumably that means they can charge you with an offence if you entered a false age. That doesn't sound any different to me to entering a false age in a web browser to get access to a porn site.
"They" can charge you if you are the OS provider (sysadmin other than the user) and enter false age for user under 18/16 years. The false age "in a web browser" is entered by the user, not someone else and there is no control. OS provider can be a school with sysadmin and limited accounts for every student.
 
"They" can charge you if you are the OS provider (sysadmin other than the user) and enter false age for user under 18/16 years. The false age "in a web browser" is entered by the user, not someone else and there is no control. OS provider can be a school with sysadmin and limited accounts for every student.
Yes I can see how it makes some sense in an environment like a school with a sysadmin controlling the kids' computer accounts. I don't really see how it fits with an open source o/s like freebsd or linux, but perhaps some common sense will develop over time in how this law is interpreted and applied. I hope so anyway.
 
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