I am curious to hear what people feel about the commercial Unices, and I would be interested if anyone on these forums ever has to deal with them on a regular basis.
At the last VCF, there was someone with a bunch of working Sun2 and Sun3 workstations! It was pretty fun to use an old Sun. I wish Oracle never bought Sun. They somehow manage to be the best at ruining things, while contributing nothing positive to anything else. At least they haven't relicensed MySQL under the SSPL (yet).In the past I've used a bunch of Sun systems, both Solaris and SunOS. Both worked just fine. Old SPARC systems were some of the best engineered at that time (probably even today). I had minimal use of DEC Ultrix and the odd SGI system.
At the time the GUI on all was CDE so it was easy to move from one to the other. At one point I built Windowmaker from source and ran it on the SPARCsIt was the early days of grabbing gcc et al over FTP.
The most you had to worry about was is this a SysV system or rc.init.
VxWorks and BSD4.3 in the embedded space also saw a lot of use. I still have a box of BSD4.3 from WndRiver on the shelf.
From a simple user POV, they all worked, some maybe felt faster, others better graphics, but they all just worked.
"Unix Internals, The New Frontiers" by Ursh Vahalia is a good reference for comparing how they did things under the hood. Kernel stuff like processes/thread, memory management, scheduling, IPC. All the true geek stuff. Solaris was a major player in the realtime/fully interruptible kernel space.
Not sure if that's what your looking for, but that's my experience
I really like the old Sun hardware. Just like original Apple Macs. Designed not slapped together like todays Dells. Look at the CPU specs of those old systems compared to latest Intel Core 5/AMD Ryzen and think "how did they do so much with so little".At the last VCF, there was someone with a bunch of working Sun2 and Sun3 workstations! It was pretty fun to use an old Sun. I wish Oracle never bought Sun. They somehow manage to be the best at ruining things, while contributing nothing positive to anything else. At least they haven't relicensed MySQL under the SSPL (yet).
I am curious to hear what people feel about the commercial Unices, and I would be interested if anyone on these forums ever has to deal with them on a regular basis.
Yep NeXT was good. It got morphed into a version of MacOS, but then MacOS deviated from it's "prime directive".The NeXT was good, but not further developed.
AFAIR, Coherent Unix was quite popular on PCs in mid/late '80s.There were few commercial Unix products for "home computer users" - but a few were out there. NeXT comes to mind, and I always wanted to own a NeXT cube, but the price was expen$ive back in the day. My memory of it was that the NeXT cube itself was running something like $8,000 to $10,000 USD -- and I think it was like $2,000 USD just to buy the "printer"! Maybe that is "cheap" in 2025 money?
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Oracle is often the worst thing that can happen to any given {technology, company}.Solaris is the only one that keeps up with the world and Oracle was the worst thing that could happen to Solaris ...
I am too young (41) for this - but my buddy told me that there was time when Mark Williams Coherent Unix was 'THE' cheap option to have UNIX system.AFAIR, Coherent Unix was quite popular on PCs in mid/late '80s.
I like this comparison of the BSDs:Took me some time ... finally found this image on my disk that really well represents the differences.
Please do tell us moreSeveral years ago, I worked at a commercial printing company that ran their prepress production and plate outputting hardware on Sun Solaris systems. There was also a workstation that ran SGI Irix.
The Sun servers were, as you might expect, absolute workhorses with uptime measured in years. The only time they went down when I was there was to physically move them to a different location in the plant.
Then the devil came a callin', and management saw fit to replace the Sun servers with a very proprietary workflow management system based on Windows NT. After that, I swear we had to reboot those damn things daily. It was less than amusing, but we would laugh and shake our heads about it anyway. I tried to purchase the Sun equipment, but they wouldn't have it. I believe the SGI workstation was also retired shortly thereafter, as well.
Seen that - good visualizationI like this comparison of the BSDs:
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Hey vermaden, VMS is not out of production, latest is VSI OpenVMS V9.2-3 for x86-64 from November 2024
Roadmap:
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Just remembered something, did any of NT’s in your company had Apple YellowBox running? YellowBox was superset of NeXT’s OpenStep (which had Adobe's Display PostScript), combined with other Apple software tech and Java.Then the devil came a callin', and management saw fit to replace the Sun servers with a very proprietary workflow management system based on Windows NT. After that, I swear we had to reboot those damn things daily.
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