All countries are different, tell me a fact about your country.

Due to freebsd forum regulations i cannot go deeper into politics or religion, just this, it's not because you tear some pages from a history book that the history is gone or will become a new history. The only thing you did was censorship.
Totally agree. In a slightly different context, Einstein was a terrible person with regards to how he treated women, Schrodinger was a child molester and abuser but I hope no one would forfeit their achievement in physics and quantum mechanics because of this (that would be fun, as computer would not even exist if it weren't for quantum mechanics).
 
Yeah... ResierFS was developed by someone who was convicted of murder in 2006...

Founders of 'Land of the Free' were by and large, slave owners, which was perfectly acceptable back in the day, nobody thought that was a problem. But now... people are saying, that yeah, it's a problem, there's nothing that can be done about the past, so let's just forget it and remove visual reminders, and stop teaching it in schools.

ZFS (of which I am a big fan) is a Sun / Oracle invention. I have big time problems with some of the things those companies did. That doesn't stop me from liking ZFS and making use of it, even to the point of ignoring the harassment and mismanagement that happened in the office.
 
Even discussions on slavery have dumbed down beyond recognition. Watching a movie like Gone With The Wind can give a good insight into how even people who depend on institutions you hate aren't necessarily cackling evil, or how something that seems evil when taught in a classroom is shades of gray up close.

Did slavery cease because humanity, after tens of thousands of years, suddenly became enlightened, or did alternatives become more economical?

How many freed Russian serfs suddenly found themselves cast out of a familiar home where they had food, shelter, and an identity into an alien world of 20 hour work days and no greater structure to belong to?

Am I saying serfdom was good?

I'm saying maybe things aren't as simple as your Justice, Society and The Patriarchy compulsory course teacher made it seem.

You know what Hitler called America (the continent)? "Reactionary." Kind of sounds like what a communist would have said, and maybe what communists do still say.

Again, just introducing possible readers to the concept of hues and humanity.
 
Are you in the US? The present government wants to bring back names of schools and streets named after slave owners, replace confederat statues,etc. MAGA seems to feel it's nothing to be ashamed of.
 
I'm not ashamed of what Leopold II did. Why i have never been to Africa in my whole life.
I can only be ashamed of my proper own actions never of someone elses.
 
In the words of Bill Murray in the movie Stripes: Our ancestors were kicked out of every other respectable country.

Well, maybe not to the extent of the australian penal colonies, but you get the picture.
 
While the first human presence dates back to the Lenape, the first city was founded by the Dutch in 1624-1625 with the establishment of New Amsterdam. The arrival of the English in 1664 marked a political reestablishment and a name change that would give the city its future identity and growth.
The Jamestown Colony predates it by a decade.

In my country of origin there are more sheep than cows, and more cows than people.
 
Are you in the US? The present government wants to bring back names of schools and streets named after slave owners, replace confederat statues,etc. MAGA seems to feel it's nothing to be ashamed of.
I don't know. I'm sort of in the camp of people who think that getting worked up over some historical figure or another's name being used for some institution or another is symptomatic of unrelated problems.

While I'm on the topic, as an outsider, I think I speak for most of us when I say that when we saw those pictures of defaced statues, we didn't think "freedom fighters," we thought "ill-bred college students with father issues."

You need to stop being angry about everything and appreciate the beauty in life. It's likely that not a single tribe (what pseudo-scientists call "race" or "ethnicity") escaped slavery at some junction or another.

Don't mean to be brutal but. Get over it.
 
In the words of Bill Murray in the movie Stripes: Our ancestors were kicked out of every other respectable country.

Well, maybe not to the extent of the australian penal colonies, but you get the picture.
Does Sydney Opera House prohibit British passport holders from buying tickets, or what? I'd think they're above that by now...

Uhhh... this thread is not going in a good direction. Most of the information about other countries is actually available online. And - it sometimes gets off-the-cuff misinterpretations and mis-understandings that take a lot of effort to correct. As an example from this thread, I joked about eels powering a 6500 watt water heater in Brazil, until I bothered to do a bit of research, and discovered that Brazilian water heaters have a somewhat higher wattage rating than elsewhere.

Nobody's immune to off-the-cuff interpretations. Even YouTube cautioned against those. I mean, if you have an off-the-cuff interpretation, the next person who sees your reaction very well can corrupt the message even further... and that snowballs off in a game of Broken Telephone... Just trying to avoid corrupting the original message - that is a LOT of effort that most people with access to Internet don't bother with, unfortunately.
 
In the correlation of peoples and countries to talk about 'shame' is contraproductive in any way.

Within civilizations based on certain moral rules shame is a self induced punishment for to prevent humans to violate those rules by urging them to make themselves feel bad. The idea of shame is to either avoid it in the first place, or to get rid of it by somebody's forgiveness.
Shame is innapropriate for a people or a country. Peoples or countries cannot neither feel shame, nor can they forgive each other. Only individuals can.

It is not about to feel ashamed of what the ancestors did. We are not responsible for what they did. Without influence there is no responsibility. Nobody can be hold accountable for what others did, and which she or he had no influence on. Everybody is responsible for their own actions, not for other's. And we didn't do what happened eighty, ninety, hundred, or several hundreds of years ago.
Such ideas may even lead to vendetta, a most immature way to avoid dealing with things in underdeveloped societies. Nothing good for nobody ever came from this. It produces only even more bad, and worse things. So you better don't even remotely start anything like that in the first place - doesn't matter who was 'wrong' or 'right'. All ways are better to deal with things instead of worsen them.

If your people in history did something terrible - and many countries/peoples in history in one or the other way did; which is also an immature, childish, undecieved, and contraproductive way believing one could deal with it by pointing at others and say:'they also did something bad.' This neither changes, nor improves anything - you were educated to see it. You understand it was wrong, and bad. So there is the awareness of the individual. From that comes the responsibility of a people or country. Which is neither to be mixed up with each other, especially not to be confused with shame. Nor does it mean the indiviual may get rid of the awareness because the people or country deals with the responsibility.
The responsibility to try the best to make up for the damages, and injustices done as far as it's even possible. But above all the responsibility to preserve the memory. Not only for your own people, but everybody not to forget. Which must also not be confused with putting others right. Also educate coming generations.
Responsibility to do everything needed such things will never happen again, ever.

This has nothing to do with shame.
No victim of injustice, and persecution benefits by the offenders are ashamed.
They simply want injustice, and persecution to stop, and never happen again. And sometimes redemption - which is not for the offenders to decide.

If you are going to tell individuals of a people or a country to be ashamed of what their ancestors did in history, then they want get rid of this bad feeling of shame. But they cannot. Because they cannot undo what cannot be undone, especially not what they never did. Nor can they change from the implied worse individual to become better ones, because they never were those bad individuals.
So, since it's impossilbe to get rid of a shame you cannot deal with since that's outside the system what shame is for, what people then do to get rid of this shame is to swallow and ignore it. And that's bad.
This not only brews subconsciously, producing weird, wrong, and bad attidudes. But above all the ignorance leads to the distruction of the memory. This means the terrible things happened in history are going to be underestimated, and forgotten, and so happen again.

So, please, don't talk about shame. Maybe about responsibility. Better about awareness.
Because it's not about to make people feel bad. Nobody profits from somebody else feels bad. This produces nothing useful for no one whatsoever.
It's about not to forget, to do everything such things must never happen again.
 
In the words of Bill Murray in the movie Stripes: Our ancestors were kicked out of every other respectable country.
That's my not to be taken really that serious theory of the small countries Switzerland and Belgium.
Each consist of three or four different peoples, with three or four different languages, cultures, and attitudes, so having large problems to coexist as one nation. The only point they all agree with is, the german speaking ones don't want to be germans, the french speaking ones don't want to be french,.... 😜

Well, that's not quite true. In Switzerland at least all swiss love cheese fondue (Sorry for the french, but there is no english wikipedia page for it.) And beetroot is a must in every salad. Like salad always has to be completely drowned in way too much dressing, no matter where you go in Switzerland.

By the way french fries: By what I heard was invented in the belgic city of Antwerp (very nice! If you are near don't miss it! Maybe post a picture of the beer you had there.) There is an annual kind of celebration for which deep fried fish is a must. Once a long time ago for reasons I forgot there was no fish. So they got the idea to carve potatoes like fish, and deep fried those.
 
Here we eat horse. :)
For me, eating horse meat is as horrible as eating dog meat.
But of course, each country has its own culture and each country has its own normality.
When I was young, I ate large grilled spiders in a charming Amazonian village.
At first glance, it's disgusting, but after one bite, it's delicious.
 
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This is our traditional breakfast. Eating this for breakfast is guaranteed to cheer you up!:)
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a man who has eaten one of these will not be able to eat another for some time.

It is mandatory to have one of these two sauces with it. Or both.

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And we drink 'warm' beer, which is to say, at room temperature and not chilled.

Now, I am prepared to accept that some excellent Belgian beers give some of the good English beers a run for their money. The two best countries in the world for beer. :)

This is Marstons IPA imperial pale ale, brewed in Burton on Trent.

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