Solved Attempting to run cwm on FreeBSD

thedaemon said:
I use cwm as my daily driver, so glad to see someone else. I haven't had to change the permissions of my home folder so I found that odd but nice to see it up.

instead of startx I use a script that runs
xinit ~/.xinitrc -- -nolisten tcp

and have all of my other applications that start up running before the exec cwm line in my .xinitrc.
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Reflecting further on this, I will clarify that the reason I'm doing the way I am is that, not finding instructions in the handbook on how to do it (that I could find, anyway), I went searching, and the first tutorial I linked was the first one I found, and that's how it did it. As I learn more, I may discover that your way of doing it is in fact better. Out of curiosity, I will be keeping an eye open for that. As a case-in-point, the tutorial I followed for installing in the first place.. I've only half-watched. So I won't be surprised now if it guides me through something just like what you do :)
 
mikethe1wheelnut said:
Uh-huh.. ..you realize, right, that this is a public forum? 🙃 ..I'm trying to imagine the reaction of the average social-group to these disclosures.. and failing.. 🤣 🧐 ..omg, I haven't laughed this hard in..
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Now you have me laughing :) In the fly community, we call it Fly Porn. LOL. Some of them are hairy too :) I always try to maintain a sense of humor in everything that i do. I grew up watching Tom & Jerry carttons and i still laugh at them. Especially that laugh of Tom Cat. LOL.

I photograph and study everything that i can because i simply love the natural world. Birds, spiders, flies, beetles, dragon- and damselflies, trees, rocks, grass etc. Our lives and everything that is life is so dang fascinating. I am still full of wonder like i was in my childhood. It is difficult to teach myself stuff but the right sentence with the right word makes the old lightbulb radiate again :-) Flies can be every bit as fascinating as our beloved birds. Most people like birds and butterflies but if everyone would just take some time to observe all living things, then more people might discover how interesting everything can be. Even earwigs can be fascinating and funny. I have photos of nothing but the tip of the earwig's abdomen sticking out from under a leaf. I always laugh like 'if you think that i cannot see you, think again' LOL. Flies are quite observational and if you watch them long enough, you will start to see bahavioral patterns that can be used to separate species in the same genus. I can always tell Lucilia sericata from caesar based upon behaviour alone. Flies sometimes make me laugh. Sarcophagidae are like the police of flies. Really. For example, i will be photographing an insect, say a ladybug, and if a sarc is near me it will either crash into me or crash into the ladybug on purpose, like it is trying to protect the ladybug. One time a sarc slammed right into my forehead while i was photographing a spider. LOL. They try to chase you away. Other flies will hop on your hand and start drinking your sweat when it is hot outside. I always laugh. Thirsty mate? LOL certain spiders play dead when you get too close to them Honestly, how can anyone not find that funny? it is ridiculous. some of them even bend their legs to look like they're dead for awhile. LOL alot of beetles roll off of leaves and land on the ground when one gets too close. LOL i always make a joke when that happens: 'did i forget to brush my teeth?' LOL Nature is great!

i want to learn how to sequence dna. I know that i can buy dna machines and kits, so i am going to start studying dna sequencing. genitalia will not be necessary when i can use dna to confirm a species. without dna, one must examine the genitalia of most insects and spiders to separate the species. Some insects require dna and now certain experts claim that so-called cryptic species exist. So dna is my next subject, athough, i have some ideas that i would like to explore: how to use hard drives as ram, since ram is so dang expensive. How to use magnetic energy to generate electricity (getting rid of electric bills would allow all of us to have more money and more money means buying more things, which means economies are rolling. Sometimes i wonder about the intelligence level of economists. LOL.)

Anyway, i am hoping that FreeBSD will detect my usb camera so that i can use my microscopes with FreeBSD. Otherwise, i will have to continue using Windows for microscopic work. I will attach some example photos of my dissections. Both are females. One is the vulva of a female spider named Xysticus kochi and the other is the ovipositor of a female Pollenia rudis. I like Calliphoridae and Polleniidae the best. I study them constantly. Very fascinating flies.

I guess that the expression 'first record' is associated with record keeping but it does seem lke you are saying 'my first album release'. LOL. I guess that i need to study music and make a 'first record' with a fly on my album cover :)

I started studying flies and spiders in 2016. I had to stop in between because i had two surgeries on my shoulder (frozen shoulder syndrome) and one surgery on my elbow. My arms lost alot of muscle during this time. My arms were only 10 inches wide. I started studying body building and i bought some weights. I got my arms from 10 inches to 15 inches in 2 years. I use a flex photo as an avatar to remind myself to keep exercising. I sometimes get lazy and stop lifting and such a flex phot reminds me to keep going.
 

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johnjohn said:
Our lives and everything that is life is so dang fascinating.
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Hard to argue with that!
johnjohn said:
...Flies are quite observational and if you watch them long enough, you will start to see bahavioral patterns that can be used to separate species in the same genus....
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..and all the paragraph above.. yes, I am definitelly talking to a biologist. or the biologist in you. ..have you read feynman? I think you would really enjoy him.. "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman!.." He does some experiments with ants..
johnjohn said:
One time a sarc slammed right into my forehead while i was photographing a spider. LOL. They try to chase you away.
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..This can't be healthy behavior.. do they survive these colisions, or are they -that- committed to this "life mission" of theirs? ..It's hard to see how such behavior could have evolved..
johnjohn said:
LOL certain spiders play dead when you get too close to them Honestly, how can anyone not find that funny?
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I totally agree! ..then again, if the rolls were reversed.. ..I'll try to keep this reflection in mind the next time a giant comes up, I play dead, and it starts laughing.. ..."Get up, you lump, and try to communicate!" :) ..If only spiders and humans spoke the same language.. Well, they're starting to do it with dolphins (..not that we really want to hear anything a dolphin would have to say to us.. ..shudder..), so maybe spiders won't be far behind? :)
 
johnjohn said:
no, i mean 10 inches around - circumference. LOL. Maybe Hulk Hogan during his steroids prime or Big Papa Pump?
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I'm actually feeling wierd continuing this discussion here, which is now so clearly completely unrelated to anything bsd. Everything put in here -does- have to get stored, and while not necessarilly that expensive, it -isn't- free. That said, it also isn't clear how I provide you with alternate contact information.. we could connect via facebook, and I could give you such info via messenger?
 
And what practical sense is there in using this manager cwm today if it was thrown into the ditch 20 years ago? Aren't there alternatives: labwc...
 
mikethe1wheelnut said:
I'm actually feeling wierd continuing this discussion here, which is now so clearly completely unrelated to anything bsd. Everything put in here -does- have to get stored, and while not necessarilly that expensive, it -isn't- free. That said, it also isn't clear how I provide you with alternate contact information.. we could connect via facebook, and I could give you such info via messenger?
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mikethe1wheelnut I do not use facebook. Actually, i do not use any of the social media services (facebook/vk, twitter/x, instagram, telegram, signal etc.) I usually join online communities/forums specific to topics of interest and communicate privately via email. we can swap emails if that suits you.
 
USerID said:
And what practical sense is there in using this manager cwm today if it was thrown into the ditch 20 years ago? Aren't there alternatives: labwc...
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You clearly have knowledge that I don't have. Explain to me why the one you propose is better. :)

I am still exploring both FreeBSD and OpenBSD. I am writing this from Ubuntu because I still don't have a bsd system that I properly understand and works smoothly. I have never heard of labwc. I have no doubt that there are hundred of window-managers and desktops out there I have never heard of. I certainly don't have anything like your detailed knowledge of what has been happening in the 'nix community for the past, say, 30 years. I will research it a bit, as time permits, out of curiosity. If you provide some compelling reasons why it is superior, that will likely raise my curiosity level. :)

For now, I'm using cwm for three reasons: 1) It is the native window manager of OpenBSD, included in it's base system*, 2) It is small**, 3) It does what I need it to. :)

*Be grateful I'm not asking for help to set-up fvwm. Every new piece of software takes time to research. cwm is the second one I have made an effort to learn (fvwm is the default on openbsd, so you are forced to learn it, if only to conclude you really want something else), and so far, so good!

**I really like the idea of using tools that are sufficiently simple that they are really easy to understand. That means that if you decide you -do- want to understand them at some point, or you want others to understand them, that makes it that much easier. All of these are also reasons for leaving windows for linux, and leaving linux for the BSD's. There is no reason to suddenly stop exploring alternatives in a given direction, unless you realize there actually -is- a good reason. :)
 
johnjohn said:
mikethe1wheelnut I do not use facebook. Actually, i do not use any of the social media services (facebook/vk, twitter/x, instagram, telegram, signal etc.) I usually join online communities/forums specific to topics of interest and communicate privately via email. we can swap emails if that suits you.
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I mainly mentioned facebook because I was at a loss for how else to share the information. I am very much like you, I am also getting off these, only use facebook occasionally, explored twitter briefly before it became x, never used ins,tel. Your rejection of signal confuses me. You have now used "the email" feature of these forums, which I did not know existed :)
 
Wondered what this thread is about, the 'attempt'. I run x11-wm/cwm on my FreeBSD box for ages now. It doesn't need anything special, it's just a window manager. x11/dmenu might me handy.

Just put 'exec /usr/local/bin/cwm' in your ~/.xinitrc and do startx at the prompt.

Indeed you get an emty screen starting cwm. That is the whole thing about this distraction free window manager.

Or do I have missed something?
 
meine said:
Wondered what this thread is about, the 'attempt'. I run x11-wm/cwm on my FreeBSD box for ages now. It doesn't need anything special, it's just a window manager. x11/dmenu might me handy.

Just put 'exec /usr/local/bin/cwm' in your ~/.xinitrc and do startx at the prompt.

Indeed you get an emty screen starting cwm. That is the whole thing about this distraction free window manager.

Or do I have missed something?
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..giggle.. yes and no. ..you've missed the fact that this thread is marked solved, and that at the top of the first post it gives links to two posts where the adopted solution and an alternative are presented. Your post is interesting in that you point out that 'exec cwm' is not the only way of executing the command. :)

Actually, if you think that (installing and) running cwm really is this simple, I invite you to take a good close look at this post and explain to me/us why all these steps are not necessary. :)
 
mikethe1wheelnut said:
take a good close look at this post and explain to me/us why all these steps are not necessary. :)
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Seems obvious to me. Since x11-wm/cwm is a graphical environment, you'll have to install several packages to use the full features of your display -- installation of 2 - 6 in the list. These things you also need using other window managers or desktop environments. Some WM or DE packages might install them for you, but cwm doesn't.

How one likes to start the set environment is a matter of taste -- by code fully automated, using an alias in the shell, or typing the full command every time.

Forgot to mention that you can do with the default ~/.cwmrc or copy some nifty key bindings from others.

The only 'impractical' side effect of using cwm is that the wadnows-bossbox doesn't react to the keybinds my hands are programmed to. Word files on work also have some vim commands in the text ;-)
 
meine said:
Seems obvious to me. Since x11-wm/cwm is a graphical environment, you'll have to install several packages to use the full features of your display -- installation of 2 - 6 in the list. These things you also need using other window managers or desktop environments. Some WM or DE packages might install them for you, but cwm doesn't.
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..I think there is some confusion here. I believe you missed the "not" in the statement "why all these steps are not necessary". You seem to be confirming, and giving reasons why, these steps -are- necessary, which is pleasant and useful :)

As for the rest of your comments, I hope to eventually learn how to fully automate it's launching. As for key bindings, I have indeed found many examples. So far, I see no reason to change the defaults, I assume that they were set with -some- logic in mind.. So far I have not encountered any conflicts. :) ..what is a "wadnows-bossbox"?
 
There are several ways to start the graphical environment after login at the first prompt or through a session manager:

TheUser

Solved Thread 'Calling 'startx' in .shrc - FreeBSD 11.1'

Hi!
I read the forum permanently, and I was able to configure autologin via reading responses to another user in this post:
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/trouble-calling-startx-in-start-up-script.22304/#post-125992

Now after booting process my normal account is logged ok, but I need a .shrc working variant of this piece of code:

/home/usr/.cshrc

Code: 
# WB: startx if it isn't already running
set XPID = `/usr/bin/pgrep xinit`
if ( { [ -n "$XPID" ] } ) then
  #echo "X is already running"
else
  startx
  logout
endif

Thanks!

Edit:
I found a solution...

wolffnx

Solved Thread 'start X at login'

I dont remember how..but is a way to autostartx X and auto login, without a session manager
any help?
thanks in advance

A 'wadnows-bossbox' is known elsewhere as 'the Windows 10 laptop my employer gave me to do my work'. Since 'wadnows-bossbox' needs fewer keystrokes I prefer that.
 
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