Solved snd_hda - no speaker and microphone at the same time

Hi, it's me again.
I've installed VirtualBox and there Skype (none of skype ports were working for me after few days of trials) and:
And then skype worked, but I've detected that there is no sound.
I thought that was windows driver fault, then skype fault, then virtualbox fault.
Finally: it is snd_hda.

I can have either speakers working, or microphone workin by changing default_unit.
See this:
Code:
[root@lap /home/justa]# sysctl hw.snd
hw.snd.maxautovchans: 16
hw.snd.default_unit: 1
hw.snd.version: 2009061500/amd64
hw.snd.default_auto: 0
hw.snd.verbose: 0
hw.snd.vpc_mixer_bypass: 1
hw.snd.feeder_rate_quality: 1
hw.snd.feeder_rate_round: 25
hw.snd.feeder_rate_max: 2016000
hw.snd.feeder_rate_min: 1
hw.snd.feeder_rate_polyphase_max: 183040
hw.snd.feeder_rate_presets: 100:8:0.85 100:36:0.92 100:164:0.97
hw.snd.feeder_eq_exact_rate: 0
hw.snd.feeder_eq_presets: PEQ:16000,0.2500,62,0.2500:-9,9,1.0:44100,48000,88200,96000,176400,192000
hw.snd.basename_clone: 1
hw.snd.compat_linux_mmap: 0
hw.snd.syncdelay: -1
hw.snd.usefrags: 0
hw.snd.vpc_reset: 0
hw.snd.vpc_0db: 45
hw.snd.vpc_autoreset: 1
hw.snd.timeout: 5
hw.snd.latency_profile: 1
hw.snd.latency: 5
hw.snd.report_soft_matrix: 1
hw.snd.report_soft_formats: 1

When I do select default unit 0:
Code:
[root@lap /home/justa]# sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=0
hw.snd.default_unit: 1 -> 0
[root@lap /home/justa]# mixer
Mixer vol      is currently set to 100:100
Mixer pcm      is currently set to 100:100
Mixer speaker  is currently set to 100:100
Mixer mic      is currently set to  50:50
Mixer rec      is currently set to  93:93
Recording source: mic
[root@lap /home/justa]#
Then it seems mic is OK, but it is not working, output is just OK.
In that config when I plug external headphones - they're not working

Then with unit 1:
Code:
[root@lap /home/justa]# sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=1
hw.snd.default_unit: 0 -> 1
[root@lap /home/justa]# mixer
Mixer vol      is currently set to  86:86
Mixer pcm      is currently set to 100:100
Mixer rec      is currently set to   1:1
Mixer monitor  is currently set to  42:42
Recording source: monitor
[root@lap /home/justa]#

Then headphones works ok, microphone works ok, but there is no sound output when I unplug headphones (no main laptop speaker output)

When I select unit 2 then nothing works.

Question:
Can I "combine" unit 0 with unit 1 so then:
When headphones are connected - I hear voices in headphones
When I unplug headphones - laptops's speakers takes over
Microphone works from laptop microphone, when I plug headphones with microphone - the works either headphones microphone or both.

Also some more output:
Code:
[root@lap /home/justa]# sysctl -a | grep hda
device    snd_hda
dev.pcm.2.%parent: hdaa1
dev.pcm.1.%parent: hdaa0
dev.pcm.0.%parent: hdaa0
dev.hdaa.1.reconfig: 0
dev.hdaa.1.gpo_config: 
dev.hdaa.1.gpo_state: 
dev.hdaa.1.gpio_config: 
dev.hdaa.1.gpio_state: 
dev.hdaa.1.gpi_state: 
dev.hdaa.1.config: forcestereo,ivref50,ivref80,ivref100,ivref,vref
dev.hdaa.1.nid8: vendor widget [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.1.nid7_original: 0x58560030 as=3 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=None ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0
dev.hdaa.1.nid7_config: 0x58560030 as=3 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=None ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0
dev.hdaa.1.nid7: pin: Digital-out (None) [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.1.nid6_original: 0x58560020 as=2 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=None ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0
dev.hdaa.1.nid6_config: 0x58560020 as=2 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=None ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0
dev.hdaa.1.nid6: pin: Digital-out (None) [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.1.nid5_original: 0x18560010 as=1 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=Jack ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0
dev.hdaa.1.nid5_config: 0x18560010 as=1 seq=0 device=Digital-out conn=Jack ctype=Digital loc=0x18 color=Unknown misc=0
dev.hdaa.1.nid5: pin: Digital-out (Jack)
dev.hdaa.1.nid4: audio output [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.1.nid3: audio output [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.1.nid2: audio output
dev.hdaa.1.%parent: hdacc1
dev.hdaa.1.%pnpinfo: type=0x01 subsystem=0x80860101
dev.hdaa.1.%location: nid=1
dev.hdaa.1.%driver: hdaa
dev.hdaa.1.%desc: Intel Cougar Point Audio Function Group
dev.hdaa.0.reconfig: 0
dev.hdaa.0.gpo_config: 
dev.hdaa.0.gpo_state: 
dev.hdaa.0.gpio_config: 0=keep 1=keep 2=keep 3=keep
dev.hdaa.0.gpio_state: 0=disabled 1=disabled 2=disabled 3=disabled
dev.hdaa.0.gpi_state: 
dev.hdaa.0.config: forcestereo,ivref50,ivref80,ivref100,ivref,vref
dev.hdaa.0.nid37: vendor widget [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid36: audio mixer [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid35_original: 0x95a60150 as=5 seq=0 device=Mic conn=Fixed ctype=Digital loc=0x15 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid35_config: 0x95a60150 as=5 seq=0 device=Mic conn=Fixed ctype=Digital loc=0x15 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid35: pin: Mic (Fixed)
dev.hdaa.0.nid34_original: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid34_config: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid34: pin: Line-out (None) [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid33: audio output [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid32_original: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid32_config: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid32: pin: Line-out (None) [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid31_original: 0x96170110 as=1 seq=0 device=Speaker conn=Fixed ctype=Analog loc=0x16 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid31_config: 0x96170110 as=1 seq=0 device=Speaker conn=Fixed ctype=Analog loc=0x16 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid31: pin: Speaker (Fixed)
dev.hdaa.0.nid30_original: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid30_config: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid30: pin: Line-out (None) [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid29_original: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid29_config: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid29: pin: Line-out (None) [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid28_original: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid28_config: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid28: pin: Line-out (None) [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid27_original: 0x03a11030 as=3 seq=0 device=Mic conn=Jack ctype=1/8 loc=Left color=Black misc=0
dev.hdaa.0.nid27_config: 0x03a11030 as=3 seq=0 device=Mic conn=Jack ctype=1/8 loc=Left color=Black misc=0
dev.hdaa.0.nid27: pin: Mic (Black Jack)
dev.hdaa.0.nid26_original: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid26_config: 0x400001f0 as=15 seq=0 device=Line-out conn=None ctype=Unknown loc=0x00 color=Unknown misc=1
dev.hdaa.0.nid26: pin: Line-out (None) [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid25_original: 0x03211040 as=4 seq=0 device=Headphones conn=Jack ctype=1/8 loc=Left color=Black misc=0
dev.hdaa.0.nid25_config: 0x03211040 as=4 seq=0 device=Headphones conn=Jack ctype=1/8 loc=Left color=Black misc=0
dev.hdaa.0.nid25: pin: Headphones (Black Jack)
dev.hdaa.0.nid24: audio selector [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid23: audio selector
dev.hdaa.0.nid22: audio input [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid21: audio input
dev.hdaa.0.nid20: audio input
dev.hdaa.0.nid19: beep widget
dev.hdaa.0.nid18: audio output [DISABLED]
dev.hdaa.0.nid17: audio output
dev.hdaa.0.nid16: audio output
dev.hdaa.0.%parent: hdacc0
dev.hdaa.0.%pnpinfo: type=0x01 subsystem=0x17aa21ee
dev.hdaa.0.%location: nid=1
dev.hdaa.0.%driver: hdaa
dev.hdaa.0.%desc: Conexant CX20590 Audio Function Group
dev.hdaa.%parent: 
dev.hdacc.1.%parent: hdac0
dev.hdacc.1.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x8086 device=0x2805 revision=0x00 stepping=0x00
dev.hdacc.1.%location: cad=3
dev.hdacc.1.%driver: hdacc
dev.hdacc.1.%desc: Intel Cougar Point HDA CODEC
dev.hdacc.0.%parent: hdac0
dev.hdacc.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x14f1 device=0x506e revision=0x00 stepping=0x02
dev.hdacc.0.%location: cad=0
dev.hdacc.0.%driver: hdacc
dev.hdacc.0.%desc: Conexant CX20590 HDA CODEC
dev.hdacc.%parent: 
dev.hdac.0.polling: 0
dev.hdac.0.pindump: 0
dev.hdac.0.wake: 0
dev.hdac.0.%parent: pci0
dev.hdac.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x8086 device=0x1c20 subvendor=0x17aa subdevice=0x21ee class=0x040300
dev.hdac.0.%location: pci0:0:27:0 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.HDEF
dev.hdac.0.%driver: hdac
dev.hdac.0.%desc: Intel Cougar Point HDA Controller
dev.hdac.%parent: 
[root@lap /home/justa]#

and

Code:
[root@lap /home/justa]# sysctl -a | grep snd
device    snd_cmi
device    snd_csa
device    snd_emu10kx
device    snd_es137x
device    snd_hda
device    snd_ich
device    snd_via8233
hw.snd.maxautovchans: 16
hw.snd.default_unit: 0
hw.snd.version: 2009061500/amd64
hw.snd.default_auto: 0
hw.snd.verbose: 0
hw.snd.vpc_mixer_bypass: 1
hw.snd.feeder_rate_quality: 1
hw.snd.feeder_rate_round: 25
hw.snd.feeder_rate_max: 2016000
hw.snd.feeder_rate_min: 1
hw.snd.feeder_rate_polyphase_max: 183040
hw.snd.feeder_rate_presets: 100:8:0.85 100:36:0.92 100:164:0.97
hw.snd.feeder_eq_exact_rate: 0
hw.snd.feeder_eq_presets: PEQ:16000,0.2500,62,0.2500:-9,9,1.0:44100,48000,88200,96000,176400,192000
hw.snd.basename_clone: 1
hw.snd.compat_linux_mmap: 0
hw.snd.syncdelay: -1
hw.snd.usefrags: 0
hw.snd.vpc_reset: 0
hw.snd.vpc_0db: 45
hw.snd.vpc_autoreset: 1
hw.snd.timeout: 5
hw.snd.latency_profile: 1
hw.snd.latency: 5
hw.snd.report_soft_matrix: 1
hw.snd.report_soft_formats: 1

Please help...
 
Forgot this:
Code:
[root@lap /home/justa]# cat /dev/sndstat 
Installed devices:
pcm0: <Conexant CX20590 (Analog)> (play/rec) default
pcm1: <Conexant CX20590 (Analog)> (play/rec)
pcm2: <Intel Cougar Point (HDMI/DP 8ch)> (play)
[root@lap /home/justa]#
 
The first thing to be aware of is that newer laptops have combined the older green (headphone/output) and pink (input/mic) jacks into a single 4 pin jack. If you plug a 3 pin jack into a newer 4 pin socket you will have problems.

The second thing is that the sound section in the handbook is dated. It looks like you have read it since your are specifying your default device. With FreeBSD 10.*, snd_hda(4) is statically compiled into the generic kernel. If you have a snd_hda device, you do not need to load any sound modules.

Lastly, here is a thread where the mic pins were reassigned. In this particular instance, the laptop had a built-in mic and a second mic socket. For anyone to help you they will need to know the make/model of your system, the physical jacks/speakers/mics and their input/output associations.

Thread 51480
snd_hda(4)
 
Hi I've read all theread and man snd_hda multiple times, and it seems that I'm not smart enough.
I want to have just one device: /dev/snd , so default_unit=0
I want this device to play to speaker, detect headphones connection and then mute and play in headphones.
And I want it to listen from laptop builtin microphone, and when headphones with jack plugged in - I want it to mix both microphones...

I'm so confused about what as=1 and as=5 means etc, quite sure what nid= means and seq= means, but cannot figure out how to put all of this is just one device
Trying this:
Code:
hint.pcm.0.rec.autosrc=2
hint.hdac.0.nid31.config="as=1 seq=0"
hint.hdac.0.nid25.config="as=1 seq=15"
hint.hdac.0.nid27.config="as=2 seq=0 device=monitor"
hint.hdac.0.nid35.config="as=2 seq=14 device=mic"

While my max verbose hdaa dmesg is like this:
Code:
hdaa0: Dumping AFG pins:
hdaa0: nid   0x    as seq device       conn  jack    loc        color   misc
hdaa0: 25 03211040 4  0  Headphones    Jack  1/8     Left       Black   0
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT HP           Sense: 0x7fffffff (disconnected)
hdaa0: 26 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps: IN             VREF Sense: 0x7fffffff (disconnected)
hdaa0: 27 03a11030 3  0  Mic           Jack  1/8     Left       Black   0
hdaa0:     Caps: IN OUT    EAPD VREF Sense: 0x7fffffff (disconnected)
hdaa0: 28 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT              Sense: 0x7fffffff (disconnected)
hdaa0: 29 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps: IN OUT    EAPD      Sense: 0xffffffff (connected)
hdaa0: 30 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps: IN                  Sense: 0xffffffff (connected)
hdaa0: 31 96170110 1  0  Speaker       Fixed Analog  0x16       Unknown 1
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT           
hdaa0: 32 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT           
hdaa0: 34 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT           
hdaa0: 35 95a60150 5  0  Mic           Fixed Digital 0x15       Unknown 1
hdaa0:     Caps: IN               
hdaa0: NumGPIO=4 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=1
hdaa0:  GPIO0: disabled
hdaa0:  GPIO1: disabled
hdaa0:  GPIO2: disabled
hdaa0:  GPIO3: disabled
hdaa1: Dumping AFG pins:
hdaa1: nid   0x    as seq device       conn  jack    loc        color   misc
hdaa1:  5 18560010 1  0  Digital-out   Jack  Digital 0x18       Unknown 0
hdaa1:     Caps:    OUT              Sense: 0x00000000 (disconnected)
hdaa1:  6 58560020 2  0  Digital-out   None  Digital 0x18       Unknown 0 DISA
hdaa1:     Caps:    OUT              Sense: 0x00000000 (disconnected)
hdaa1:  7 58560030 3  0  Digital-out   None  Digital 0x18       Unknown 0 DISA
hdaa1:     Caps:    OUT              Sense: 0x00000000 (disconnected)
hdaa1: NumGPIO=0 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=0
hdaa0: Dumping AFG pins:
hdaa0: nid   0x    as seq device       conn  jack    loc        color   misc
hdaa0: 25 03211040 4  0  Headphones    Jack  1/8     Left       Black   0
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT HP           Sense: 0x7fffffff (disconnected)
hdaa0: 26 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps: IN             VREF Sense: 0x7fffffff (disconnected)
hdaa0: 27 03a11030 3  0  Mic           Jack  1/8     Left       Black   0
hdaa0:     Caps: IN OUT    EAPD VREF Sense: 0x7fffffff (disconnected)
hdaa0: 28 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT              Sense: 0x7fffffff (disconnected)
hdaa0: 29 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps: IN OUT    EAPD      Sense: 0xffffffff (connected)
hdaa0: 30 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps: IN                  Sense: 0xffffffff (connected)
hdaa0: 31 96170110 1  0  Speaker       Fixed Analog  0x16       Unknown 1
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT           
hdaa0: 32 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT           
hdaa0: 34 400001f0 15 0  Line-out      None  Unknown 0x00       Unknown 1 DISA
hdaa0:     Caps:    OUT           
hdaa0: 35 95a60150 5  0  Mic           Fixed Digital 0x15       Unknown 1
hdaa0:     Caps: IN               
hdaa0: NumGPIO=4 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=1
hdaa0:  GPIO0: disabled
hdaa0:  GPIO1: disabled
hdaa0:  GPIO2: disabled
hdaa0:  GPIO3: disabled
hdaa1: Dumping AFG pins:
hdaa1: nid   0x    as seq device       conn  jack    loc        color   misc
hdaa1:  5 18560010 1  0  Digital-out   Jack  Digital 0x18       Unknown 0
hdaa1:     Caps:    OUT              Sense: 0x00000000 (disconnected)
hdaa1:  6 58560020 2  0  Digital-out   None  Digital 0x18       Unknown 0 DISA
hdaa1:     Caps:    OUT              Sense: 0x00000000 (disconnected)
hdaa1:  7 58560030 3  0  Digital-out   None  Digital 0x18       Unknown 0 DISA
hdaa1:     Caps:    OUT              Sense: 0x00000000 (disconnected)
hdaa1: NumGPIO=0 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=0

Still no luck - what I'm doing wrong??
Or please help at least with as=N ?? what does it mean exactly?
How to just create one single device with all possible outputs and all possible inputs connected?

And on hdaa1 I have just one non disabled device nid=5
How this is possible that I have output on unit=0 and microphone on unit=1, how this is related to 3 devices /dev/dsp[0,1,2] ??
I'm probably doing something really wrong.... :(
 
as Association number. Associations are used to group indi-
vidual pins to form a complex multi-pin device. For exam-
ple, to group 4 connectors for 7.1 input/output, or to
treat several input connectors as sources for the same
input device. Association numbers can be specified as
numeric values from 0 to 15. A value of 0 means disabled
pin. A value of 15 is a set of independent unassociated
pins. Each association includes only pins of the same
direction (in/out) and is detected atomically (all pins or
none). A separate PCM audio device is created for every
pair of input and output associations.

hint.hdac.0.nid31.config="as=1 seq=0" hint.hdac.0.nid25.config="as=1 seq=15"

In your present setup pins 25 and 31 are "associated" in the same grouping (as=1). In a normal setup pin 31 would be your speakers and pin 25 your headphone jacks. The Sequence variable "seq=15" for pin 25 means that it senses when you plug in the headphones and mutes the speaker output on pin 31. Associations can either be output or input, not both.

As far as your inputs, it looks like you have two possible inputs: a jack and a built-in mic (usually a small opening at the top of the screen bezel). Do you want your mic input to come from pin 27 (built in mic) or pin 35 (jack)?
 
Fixed - I've used "hdac" instead of "hdaa" in /boot/device.hints.
This config solved all issues:
Code:
hint.pcm.0.rec.autosrc=2
hint.hdaa.0.nid31.config="as=1 seq=0"
hint.hdaa.0.nid25.config="as=1 seq=15"
hint.hdaa.0.nid27.config="as=6 seq=0 device=monitor"
hint.hdaa.e.nid35.config="as=6 seq=14 device=mic"

So as=1 associates outputs, detects headphones all OK
And as=6 connects builtin laptop's microphone and jack microphone. And I wanted them work both "mixed" so seq=14. Great!
All is OK now, thanks!
 
ANd I wanted them work both "mixed" so seq=14.

hint.hdaa.e.nid35.config="as=6 seq=14 device=mic"

For pins 35, both will also "work" if seq=15. The difference between seq=14 and seq=15 is that seq=15 multiplexes the two signals; like the right and left channels in stereo. When mixed (seq=14), the two signal inputs are combined into a single channel. With cheap external and built-in mics that are not spatially separated by much distance, this probably would not make much difference in playback on a laptop.
 
This is my work laptop, so that was all about skype in VBox.... it just had to work - to make conference calls.
Skype for FreeBSD is not working for me - all ports either are broken or cannot connect to skype server.
BTW: I have the same (cannot connect) on my fresh installed Snow Leopard 10.6.8 (just yesterday, because El Capitan was so so so bad that I've erased mac disk and reinstalled snow leopard) - newest skype cannot start (broken), older cannot connect to server - and I have to use VBox too with winx xp inside.....

Another surprise for me was that FreeBSD 11.0 install usb starts on Mac and detects most of mac hardware, but I didn't install it on mac.
 
...Another surprise for me was that FreeBSD 11.0 install usb starts on Mac and detects most of mac hardware, but I didn't install it on mac.
Yes, but Skype does work in FreeBSD 11-CURRENT. It's because of the addition of some win32 syscalls in Skype binary that aren't supported by compat-linux of pre-11 releases.
 
Well for me Skype is dead.
It is owned by M$ and addtitionally does everything to be non portable. Why should I use it?
Skype also have web client, it is not yet working on *BSD, but this seems to be more promising than native app.
 
...because El Capitan was so so so bad that I've erased mac disk and reinstalled snow leopard

This is basically the reason I'm here :p why did it go down hill so quickly from 10.6, it's like the whole concept of producing stable and quality software completely eroded after that point. I guess most consumers just don't care, or at least money doesn't seem to care.
 
And now I HAVE TO use OS X El Capitan.
Just requirement for work, so Skype also works there - but Google Hangouts is also there....
I also have old Thinkpad laptop that is running FreeBSD 10.3 currently, and all stuff works perfectly on it.
 
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