Could please someone explain what "Exp builds", "Package builds" and "Qat builds" means on this site?On https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds?jailname=144amd64 I can see the quarterly build was started Wed, 21 Oct 2026 19:31:46 GMT
My impression: it dependsIf one is interested in the security of the pkgs, and not the latest updates of the pkgs, should one use quarterly or latest?
For me it seems to be random, which builds are started first and therefore finish first. Could anybody clarify?That seems to be the current focus of the FreeBSD team regarding security for the 14 branch.
Only look at the package builds, those are the ones that will end up in the various repositories. You don't need to worry about the others.Could please someone explain what "Exp builds", "Package builds" and "Qat builds" means on this site?
Yeah, it's gone beyond embarrassing. I mean, FreeBSD was always lagging behind with security patches compared to most Linux distributions, but it's been days now.Nothing for 15.1-RELEASE quarterly...
I’m starting to get worried. Three days, and nothing. I no longer know what to say at work to explain the time taken.
Most of the servers I manage that are on FreeBSD and run PHP are still down because they're far from critical. There's one where after a day I couldn't justify waiting any longer, I've gone the ports route: checked out ports from git on the quarterly branch and installed all PHP packages I have installed on that server from ports. It should be OK since I'm using both the quarterly branch from the ports repo and the quarterly package repo for binary packages, so as soon as the packages are available in the pkg repository I'll just reinstall the lot from there.Should I change the servers in production to "latest"?
What do you recommend doing?
P.D.:
I started a Poudriere build yesterday to try and generate the binaries... I’ll check in a few hours to see if the build has finished.
Linux doesn't take care of their distributions as a whole like FreeBSD does. Linux only takes care of their kernel. FreeBSD is a cohesive, complete system that all works together. When someone else screws things up, they don't rely on some outsiders to guarantee their work.FreeBSD was always lagging behind with security patches compared to most Linux distributions
We suggest you set session.upload_progress.enabled=0 until the next regular bugfix release, to fully protect from an unlikely RCE vector. This setting was already listed as a mitigation in the GHSA-6wmf-4rv5-p3rp advisory for CVE-2026-109619 published on Oct 21st, 2026.
I would imagine that to be correct if one is staying on the same base (quarterly vs latest). If you have been pulling quarterly and switch to latest I think the pkg update -f is almost mandatory.And as it works for me as written in the docs: No, you don't have to run apkg updateprior to apkg upgrade.
Of the three servers I manage, on one that is for testing, I made the change from quarterly to latest like this:I would imagine that to be correct if one is staying on the same base (quarterly vs latest). If you have been pulling quarterly and switch to latest I think the pkg update -f is almost mandatory.
# mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos
# cat << 'EOF' > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
FreeBSD-ports: {
url: "pkg+https://pkg.freebsd.org/${ABI}/latest"
}
EOF
# pkg upgrade
# pkg info | grep 'php8[2-5]-[0-9].*'
mod_php85-8.5.12 PHP Scripting Language (8.5.X branch)
php85-8.5.12 PHP Scripting Language (8.5.X branch)
Cool. I wonder if pkg upgrade pulls in the "latest" catalogs based on the current config. As in when configured for quarterly, pkg upgrade pulls in that catalog, then if user switches to latest, the next pkg upgrade pulls in the "latest catalog for latest" before running upgrade.Of the three servers I manage, on one that is for testing, I made the change from quarterly to latest like this:
# mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos
# cat << 'EOF' > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
FreeBSD-ports: {
url: "pkg+https://pkg.freebsd.org/${ABI}/latest"
}
EOF
# pkg upgrade
# pkg info | grep 'php8[2-5]-[0-9].*'
Code:mod_php85-8.5.12 PHP Scripting Language (8.5.X branch) php85-8.5.12 PHP Scripting Language (8.5.X branch)
After running the 'pkg upgrade' command, the new packages were immediately displayed; the 'pkg update' command was not required.
# date
Fri Oct 23 14:50:36 -05 2026
# freebsd-version
15.1-RELEASE-p5
# pkg upgrade
Updating FreeBSD-ports repository catalogue...
Fetching data: 100% 9296 KiB 3.2 MB/s 00:03
Processing entries: 100%
FreeBSD-ports repository update completed. 38288 packages processed.
Updating FreeBSD-ports-kmods repository catalogue...
Fetching data: 100% 46 KiB 46.9 kB/s 00:01
Processing entries: 100%
FreeBSD-ports-kmods repository update completed. 295 packages processed.
All repositories are up to date.
Checking for upgrades (30 candidates): 100%
Processing candidates (30 candidates): 100%
The following 30 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked):
Installed packages to be UPGRADED:
acme-dns: 1.0_42,1 -> 1.0_43,1 [FreeBSD-ports]
ca_root_nss: 3.131 -> 3.131.1 [FreeBSD-ports]
curl: 8.22.0 -> 8.23.0 [FreeBSD-ports]
mod_php85: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
nss: 3.131 -> 3.131.1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-calendar: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-ctype: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-curl: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-dom: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-fileinfo: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-filter: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-gd: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-iconv: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-intl: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-ldap: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-mbstring: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-pdo: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-pdo_dblib: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-pdo_pgsql: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-pgsql: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-phar: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-session: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-simplexml: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-tokenizer: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-xml: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-xmlreader: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-xmlwriter: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-zip: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
php85-zlib: 8.5.11 -> 8.5.12_1 [FreeBSD-ports]
Number of packages to be upgraded: 30
26 MiB to be downloaded.
Proceed with this action? [y/N]: y
# pkg info | grep php
mod_php85-8.5.12_1 PHP Scripting Language (8.5.X branch)
php85-8.5.12_1 PHP Scripting Language (8.5.X branch)
php85-calendar-8.5.12_1 The calendar shared extension for php
php85-composer-2.10.3 Dependency Manager for PHP
php85-ctype-8.5.12_1 The ctype shared extension for php
php85-curl-8.5.12_1 The curl shared extension for php
php85-dom-8.5.12_1 The dom shared extension for php
php85-fileinfo-8.5.12_1 The fileinfo shared extension for php
php85-filter-8.5.12_1 The filter shared extension for php
php85-gd-8.5.12_1 The gd shared extension for php
php85-iconv-8.5.12_1 The iconv shared extension for php
php85-intl-8.5.12_1 The intl shared extension for php
php85-ldap-8.5.12_1 The ldap shared extension for php
php85-mbstring-8.5.12_1 The mbstring shared extension for php
php85-pdo-8.5.12_1 The pdo shared extension for php
php85-pdo_dblib-8.5.12_1 The pdo_dblib shared extension for php
php85-pdo_pgsql-8.5.12_1 The pdo_pgsql shared extension for php
php85-pecl-imagick-3.8.1 PHP wrapper to the ImageMagick/GraphicsMagick library
php85-pgsql-8.5.12_1 The pgsql shared extension for php
php85-phar-8.5.12_1 The phar shared extension for php
php85-session-8.5.12_1 The session shared extension for php
php85-simplexml-8.5.12_1 The simplexml shared extension for php
php85-tokenizer-8.5.12_1 The tokenizer shared extension for php
php85-xml-8.5.12_1 The xml shared extension for php
php85-xmlreader-8.5.12_1 The xmlreader shared extension for php
php85-xmlwriter-8.5.12_1 The xmlwriter shared extension for php
php85-zip-8.5.12_1 The zip shared extension for php
php85-zlib-8.5.12_1 The zlib shared extension for php
Thanks, I bumped a few production servers to latest to get the newer PHP on latest. Now I've changed those servers back to quarterly so I keep production on quarterly (meant I had to accept going down an expat level, but on the plus side I went up a curl level. And mainly on the plus side, all production servers now back to quarterly packages).Good news
periodic/VuXML mail notifications. I was informed by the BBC before I was informed by my own server. make, and then even more years constantly wrestling with ports-mgmt/poudriere/. Only for all of it to become unpractical on home servers, thanks to a new version of lang/rust taking 10 goddamned hours to compile every week. The FreeBSD vibe has always been: build your own packages or gtfo, loser. This has come back to bite us all in the ass this week, big time.Well, this has been a terrible experience. Three days waiting for the new pkgs to land in 14.5-RELEASE, for a vulnerability so severe it was covered in global media on day 1.
And for whatever reason, the vulnerable packages were never even flagged inperiodic/VuXML mail notifications. I was informed by the BBC before I was informed by my own server.
I spent years compiling my own packages in the ports collection withmake, and then even more years constantly wrestling with ports-mgmt/poudriere/. Only for all of it to become unpractical on home servers, thanks to a new version of lang/rust taking 10 goddamned hours to compile every week. The FreeBSD vibe has always been: build your own packages or gtfo, loser. This has come back to bite us all in the ass this week, big time.
I've been running and loving FreeBSD for all my home server needs for over ten years now. This is the first time I'm having serious doubts, thinking I might be better off back on Linux.
Thank you for ignoring my screaming into the void![]()
Only if you have a working poudriere pipeline already in place, with an an up-to-date ports tree as a working basis and local machines hooked into the built package repositories.As pointed out multiple times in this thead , you can remove anything rust (or any other delay fish pkgs for that matter...) from your poudrier config. And then compile your php packages very fast.
pkg repos, you're shafted waiting for updates. If you don't, you can turn off the central heating for your house, because your living space is heated by building rust. Even in summer.That and make the dent on my desk from my forehead deeper.Some of the comments in this thread just make me go **sigh**
That and make the dent on my desk from my forehead deeper.
I think it's often a problem with expectations against resources.
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Indeed. The challenge wasn't fundamentally different for Debian, and they had packages in the repos within 1 hour.Well, FreeBSD has the hardware to build packages for everything. And the software to do it efficiently - when building all paclages. There is just a big, big pile of issues getting in the way of quickly building individual packages and inserting them into the pkg mirrors. By-hand intervention worked for some targets but not for others in this case. The expectations are not unrealistic, they are just not currently realized.