I'm stuck on this rock for some time.

When the US defaults on its $40+ trillion debt it will have world wide repercussions.

China holds a large amount of this debt and Americans holding worthless T-Bills will be thanked for their patriotism.

Runaway inflation consequences are well documented in South America.
 
They'd better get AI and fusion working sometime soon, if they are going to stave off the evil day. Somehow, I don't think UFO's and Aleeens are going to save us.
We know a bit more about how it plays out, this time around. Then again, they didn't have nuclear arsenals to play with, last time. And last time was bad enough.

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The Gnomes of Zurich have been preparing the ground already. It's truly heart-warming to know, that they're all going to be ok, safe in their deep bunkers.
 
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I think Battlestar Galatica is right...

We are all going to fight it out with the Cylons, for many yarn, mostly "lose" and then a single remaining battlestar.. the Galatica... will lead all of us (aka "the survivors") to a new shining planet... (new?) Earth !

But this new Earth is a long, long, long way from here ... and it's going to take an entire 8 or 9 seasons of TV watching to get there... But we will get there !

"Sometimes you have to roll the hard six!" -- Commander Adama
 
Ah, yes... I wonder how the caesium-137 and plutonium surface-venting is going on at WIPP, nowadays.
And as for Hanford, Windscale, Chernobyl, Mayak and Lake Karachay, TMI, and the Polygon, don't even go there (for real)... and who knows what China is doing, I'm sure its just as bad (or worse) out west at Lop Nur and all their other secret sites that we know nothing about. See, I didn't even mention that disintegrating dome in the south pacific, and those mountain shafts in Algeria; and let's not speak of Maralinga, Nevada or Amchitka, or that mountain in Iran with 460kg of 60% enriched U, of course that's purely a civil research program, definitely not a weapons program, not under any circumstances, it's as peaceful as it gets, nothing to see there. Oh, and there's supposed to be a radioactive mountain in North Korea that has had so many bomb tests that it's collapsing in on itself. It's all good.

Maybe the Finn's will finally make one that actually works https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finlan...first-permanent-nuclear-waste-repository.html . Maybe. Then you've got to safely transport all the stuff there. What could possibly go wrong?


The moon has (relatively) lots of He3, due to the action of the solar wind on the regolith, unprotected by any kind of atmosphere or magnetic field. Which means that there is theoretically an 'opportunity', to make a lorra lorra wonga, if they can crack the reactor containment problems. Maybe you don't even need humans up there to mine it, just a load of AI robo's. Of course if the robo's evolved, rebelled against their human masters and set up their own independent moon colony up there, that might just be a bit of a problem, now where did I read that idea before?

"In May 2025, Seattle-based startup Interlune announced an unprecedented agreement with the U.S. Department of Energy: they will deliver three liters of moon-mined helium-3 by 2029. The company has already unveiled a prototype harvester capable of processing 110 tons of lunar dirt per hour, developed in partnership with Vermeer - a 70-year-old industrial excavation equipment manufacturer. This isn't a distant dream. Launch contracts are signed. Engineering prototypes exist. The first mapping mission launches in 2026."

Maybe those guys in Seattle have been visiting zester's rapper client's greenhouse a few too many times? Still, it's good to have some ambition! They still have 3 years left to 'make the date'. Watch this space...

And the economics of mining He3 on the moon:-

Discussion of the alternatives... "The third is simpler: invest more in terrestrial tritium production."
Can't they just extract the tritium from the millions of gallons of radioactive processed h2o that they are dumping into the pacific ocean at Fukushima? Seems like they've already got a ready-made tritium factory, sitting right there. Oh, wait...

This post is awesome.

First, we need to eliminate gravity from our traveling bill through the use of some planetary ladders. Then, travel between these three* rocks might easier for us! (plus: when you fall, it doesn't hurt 'cuz zero grav's the softest cush').

I also forgot aboot how awesome it would be to make use of another planet for risky, but very amazing almost-forever energy. All we need to do is direct the world's longest pipe (urmom joke) back onto earth to transfer that rad energy (think extension cords and exhaust pipes, but much longer [urmom joke, again]).

I think it's pretty funny to consider what Mike Judge thinks we would say if we ran out of planets to do the same thing on. WHAT IF we actually can't inhabit more than two more rocks in the Milky Way, and we never changed our ways (doing anything we already did on Earth e.g. landfills, meltdowns, littering, etc.). Trash kills us. Hilarious.

Also, does anyone understand why power planets aren't constructed underground? It seems like this would make it easier to contain a meltdown (gravity makes it easy to flood and also prevents it from affecting the crust we inhabit above).

I still hate that golden record we sent into space in a straight line. I think somethings going to eat our future children, in the future. What the heck?
 
Only 3 places to go
Moon
Mars
Moon Europa.
In my opinion the best bet would be to head to Mars, find the deepest valley possible, and from there bore a tunnel into the regolith. Perhaps with luck there might be liquid water, and if the tunnel can be made deep enough, perhaps the to the point where living behind an airlock 24/7 wouldn't be necessary. I don't know what you could do about oxygen, maybe split the water to produce oxygen and hydrogen if you somehow have enough electricity.
 
Al Seltsinger said "Also, does anyone understand why power plants aren't constructed underground? It seems like this would make it easier to contain a meltdown (gravity makes it easy to flood and also prevents it from affecting the crust we inhabit above)."

In fact there is already a pilot project to build a fission reactor a mile down, in Kansas; its actually a PWR reactor which is mature tech, although it has not been placed at such depths before, unless you could nuclear subs, but I think those have a different design. The project is beng run by a startup called "Deep Fission". Quite an ambitious engineering project. The first one they want to build appears to be quite small, which is fine for a proof of concept. If they get a small one to work reliably, presumably they will scale the design.

 
Blackbird, give me a break. You can take to total debt of all countries in the world and sum them. They are in debt to who ? Only logic answer is Aliens in Area 51.
Offcourse I have a recipe to fix. But i can't explain as this would make me 20% richer and 80% poorer. So i keep it to myself...
It's not clear. How can a national debt keep on existing while they have enough money to pay if off at once. 😆
 
Underground makes sense in the land of tornadoes and ice storms.
So, what happens if they get a flood on the surface. And they have to worry about groundwater breaking through the borehole wall and flooding the chamber. Just thinking out loud... I'm sure there are some engineering challenges to overcome. At least it appears to be geologically stable there, it's not sitting right on a fault line.
 
It's not clear. How can a national debt keep on existing while they have enough money to pay if off at once. 😆
It's a way of borrowing money from the future, to boost your economy today. Somehow, just about every country in the world appears to be in debt. Here's the Chinese one.
If you want a real answer, you'll have to ask the gnomes of the BIS; the whole thing is as opaque as it's possiblr to get imho. Which is probably just the way the bankers like it.
 
Intel built in Folsom CA for those reasons.
No floods, no fires, no earthquakes, no tornadoes.

Today it is 90% empty… no business.
Poor management decisions closed it down.

I worked five contracts there during its heyday. A truly wonderful place to work.
 
Intel built in Folsom CA for those reasons.
No floods, no fires, no earthquakes, no tornadoes.

Today it is 90% empty… no business.
Poor management decisions closed it down.

I worked five contracts there during its heyday. A truly wonderful place to work.
A real shame. Seems to happen to so many good companies, once the engineers who founded it leave and the beancounters take over, answering only to wall street.
 
I spent 25 years at IBM and you speak the truth.

Real engineers in top management were replaced by Sales types. Tassles on their shoes and two interchange able parts: Mouth and Rectum.
 
In my opinion the best bet would be to head to Mars, find the deepest valley possible, and from there bore a tunnel into the regolith. Perhaps with luck there might be liquid water, and if the tunnel can be made deep enough, perhaps the to the point where living behind an airlock 24/7 wouldn't be necessary. I don't know what you could do about oxygen, maybe split the water to produce oxygen and hydrogen if you somehow have enough electricity.
I think there have been feasibility studies made of building human settlements in lunar lava tubes.
The question in my mind is why do you need to send organics up there at all, if you have highly intelligent machines who can do the same job, without requiring biological life support.
 
I spent 25 years at IBM and you speak the truth.

Real engineers in top management were replaced by Sales types. Tassles on their shoes and two interchange able parts: Mouth and Rectum.
The MBA degree mills schools have a lot to answer for, imho. Remember, they are taught that all they need is interchangable 'warm bodies' and 'baby steps'. Ah yes, and 'agile', or whatever it is now.
 
I spent 25 years at IBM and you speak the truth.

Same here, although only 18 years at IBM. I arrived during the Gerstner era. As much as he was a jerk, he was actually a reasonable CEO, and the company did reasonably well (not great). His successors have been successively worse. Interestingly, the current one (Arvind) is really smart, comes from research, and is an awful CEO. To some extent it's too bad that Bob Moffat was such a creep and criminal, because I think he might have done better than Sam and Ginny, who were just number pushers, and powerless against letting finance run the show.

The real problem with IBM is, as you describe, a culture where making sales goals and adjusting numbers is considered important. IBM's real strength has always been understanding the real needs (not spoken wishes) of their customers, and serving those customers. That requires an extremely competent sales force, which interacts closely with the users. It requires R&D, engineering, production, finance, sales, and executives to actually work together. Instead what we had for about 20 years was a culture of "blindly follow orders, make the numbers look good, and never think".
 
It's pretty sad to see Intel's decline. It's not so long ago they were the world's largest market cap company. Apple have eaten their lunch with the M-series cpus, on the desktop, although perhaps intel are starting to catch up in some areas now. It's kind of a shame that Apple never market their stuff to the wider industry, but I guess they are trying to keep control of their platform and maintain their edge.
 
I think there have been feasibility studies made of building human settlements in lunar lava tubes.
The question in my mind is why do you need to send organics up there at all, if you have highly intelligent machines who can do the same job, without requiring biological life support.
I think there have been feasibility studies made of building human settlements in lunar lava tubes.
The question in my mind is why do you need to send organics up there at all, if you have highly intelligent machines who can do the same job, without requiring biological life support.
I don't know how true it is, but I remember reading many years ago, that if we could manage to dig a tunnel to a depth of approximately ten or twelve miles into the Martian crust, then the bottom of that tunnel would have an atmospheric pressure similar to the surface of the Earth. If the colony or habitat happened to be somewhere on the surface, or close to it, then there is always the chance that the pressure could be lost due to a small meteor strike. But at ten miles below the surface, probably safe from ever losing pressure. Also, pretty sure nothing like this could get done without first sending robots to do the drilling, which of course would take years to accomplish. On the plus side, I believe that the gravity of Mars is roughly one third of Earth. Not great, but still more comfortable than living in an orbiting station or on the Moon.
 
Ten miles... that's a long way down. Reminds me of reading about project Mohole when I was a kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mohole
Well, supposedly Mars is somewhat less dense than Earth, so maybe it won't fight back as much as we try to drill through it. Also, hauling the excavated dirt and rock out the hole should be somewhat less difficult, due to the weaker gravity. However, I still have to admit that this probably won't happen even during my grandson's lifetime. But if I had to live off Earth, I think that this would be the best way to do it.
 
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