What's the difference between disc1 and dvd1 installer image?

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'dvd1' is much bigger than 'disc1', what's the difference?
 
dvd gives you extra for gui if you do not have internet to install GUI whereas disk 1 does not it still gets you a full working system without gui that you can install afterwords if you have a line out.
 
userxbw said:
to install GUI
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Actually, it contains a set of packages (built from ports). There's "GUI stuff", but not only that.

IMHO, it's pretty much useless. It's a snapshot of the packages at the time of release. As ports are independent from base and following a "rolling release" model with quarterly snapshots, it will be outdated pretty soon.

If you want optical media, "disc1" is the IMHO sane choice, containing all the release tarballs of the base systems (so you don't need additional downloads during base install).
 
zirias@ said:
Actually, it contains a set of packages (built from ports). There's "GUI stuff", but not only that.

IMHO, it's pretty much useless. It's a snapshot of the packages at the time of release. As ports are independent from base and following a "rolling release" model with quarterly snapshots, it will be outdated pretty soon.

If you want optical media, "disc1" is the IMHO sane choice, containing all the release tarballs of the base systems (so you don't need additional downloads during base install).
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yeah I really didn't want to say all of that because there is a page that tells what is what that Fbsd has and I switched to disk 1 myself then did everything else on the net.

Code: 
Installation file types:
[LIST]
[*]-bootonly.iso: This is the smallest installation file as it only contains the installer. A working Internet connection is required during installation as the installer will download the files it needs to complete the FreeBSD installation. This file should be burned to optical media.
[*]-disc1.iso: This file contains all of the files needed to install FreeBSD, its source, and the Ports Collection. This file should be burned to optical media.
[*]-dvd1.iso: This file contains all of the files needed to install FreeBSD, its source, and the Ports Collection. It also contains a set of popular binary packages for installing a window manager and some applications so that a complete system can be installed from media without requiring a connection to the Internet. This file should be burned to optical media.
[*]-memstick.img: This file contains all of the files needed to install FreeBSD, its source, and the Ports Collection. Write this file to a USB stick as shown in Writing an Image File to USB.
[*]-mini-memstick.img: Like -bootonly.iso, does not include installation files, but downloads them as needed. A working internet connection is required during installation. It should be written to a USB stick as shown in Writing an Image File to USB.
[/LIST]

docs.freebsd.org

Chapter 2. Installing FreeBSD

Guide about how to install FreeBSD, the minimum hardware requirements and supported architectures, how to create the installation media, etc
docs.freebsd.org docs.freebsd.org
 
zirias@ said:
Actually, it contains a set of packages (built from ports). There's "GUI stuff", but not only that.
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It used to be pretty useful, particularly for people who don't have a decent network connection. Hard to imagine these days, especially for developers and most in the "first world", but even in rural areas here, not uncommon, let alone poorer countries we used to make welcome.

It used to contain Xorg with drivers and fonts etc, KDE, gnome and other utilities, enough to bring up a basic system completely offline.

Then one by one the wheels fell off and nobody cared, until I was silly enough to work on fixing 'bsdconfig packages' so that after installing FreeBSD, package installation from the DVD was simple and visual.

zirias@ said:
IMHO, it's pretty much useless. It's a snapshot of the packages at the time of release. As ports are independent from base and following a "rolling release" model with quarterly snapshots, it will be outdated pretty soon.
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That didn't matter to remote users or first-timers wanting to see if this was an OS they might like or may suit them.

Once up and running, able to browse web or mail forums, upgrading is easy enough.

Again, the target audience wasn't everyone, but to those who recall Jordan Hubbard's sysinstall and the then 4 CD distributions, sorely missed.

Want to see what will and won't be on the 13.2 DVD?

pkg-stage.sh « scripts « release - src - FreeBSD source tree

cgit.freebsd.org cgit.freebsd.org

Subtract linux (now c7)
Subtract drm*kmod (renamed)
Subtract gnome (port renamed)

I'm tending to doubt that will be updated before release.

zirias@ said:
If you want optical media, "disc1" is the IMHO sane choice, containing all the release tarballs of the base systems (so you don't need additional downloads during base install).
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Fair enough for the large majority of people. The other issue is that neither dvd1 (if fixed) nor disc1 fit on regular optical media, though both can be dd'd to USB sticks. (the handbook needs updating re hybrids)
 
smithi said:
It used to be pretty useful, particularly for people who don't have a decent network connection.
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Short of actually buying physical media from some distributor (in a store or shipped to your home), I don't see how it would help with that. So, is this really what you're talking about? Otherwise, downloading some huge image with lots of packages that will be outdated tomorrow is more like a waste of bandwidth.

smithi said:
The other issue is that neither dvd1 (if fixed) nor disc1 fit on regular optical media
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Uhm, what's "regular optical media" to you? Ignoring for a moment that optical media is nowadays dead anyways, you really mean the original "compact disc"? Because they certainly fit on a DVD, and this format was quite successful as a successor. Which is probably also why the image including packages shouldn't get any larger ... the next step would be Bluray, but that was much less successful, the "death" of optical media came short after....

If you really need something that fits on the ancient "compact disc", the "bootonly" version is your choice.

smithi said:
though both can be dd'd to USB sticks.
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Sure they can, but last time I checked, FreeBSD images did *not* apply any trickery making some image bootable both from optical media *and* USB mass storage (as some Linux distributions do), so that would be pretty much useless. For USB, there are the "memstick" images.
 
zirias@ said:
Short of actually buying physical media from some distributor (in a store or shipped to your home), I don't see how it would help with that. So, is this really what you're talking about? Otherwise, downloading some huge image with lots of packages that will be outdated tomorrow is more like a waste of bandwidth.
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You can download the big image at school, in a library and so forth.
 
cracauer@ said:
You can download the big image at school, in a library and so forth.
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Yep, if there's also some hardware to "burn" an actual disk (as long as we're still talking about optical media, I think the image with packages doesn't even exist for USB mass storage?). But indeed, a valid thought!
 
I'll get back to you about the philosophical aspects, but to your quoting me saying:

"though both can be dd'd to USB sticks."

zirias@ said:
Sure they can, but last time I checked, FreeBSD images did *not* apply any trickery making some image bootable both from optical media *and* USB mass storage (as some Linux distributions do), so that would be pretty much useless. For USB, there are the "memstick" images.
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So I googled ' "FreeBSD" hybrid usb cd images ' and happened to chance upon:

forums.freebsd.org

Full installer DVD ISO for memstick/UFD (usb flash drive) ?

The regular 'amd64-memstick.img' seems to be equal to the 'disc1.iso' CD, so I'll use that. Just wondering why the 4+GB full installer is only for people with DVD hardware. Most "distros" provide installers as "hybrid" DVD ISO images, which can be dd'd to a UFD, but with FreeBSD there's no...
forums.freebsd.org forums.freebsd.org

Hope that's clear enough. I think grahamperrin@ is onto getting it more widely documented, Handbook I guess, so useful are these hybrid images.

Unfortunately the 12.4 dvd1 as USB stick fails to boot on BIOS systems - though 12.3 was fine - due to a bug fixed on 13 but not merged to 12.

cheers, Ian
 
smithi said:
Hope that's clear enough. I think grahamperrin@ is onto getting it more widely documented, Handbook I guess, so useful are these hybrid images.
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I wouldn't say this thread is really "clear", but if it's actually true these images now use this "hybrid" trickery (which is nice of course), It should certainly be documented! Last time I needed some installer image, this wasn't the case (but indeed, that's a few releases ago).

I'm still not convinced bundling packages with the installer image does anything good. But at least, the scenario cracauer@ mentioned is more practical with USB mass-storage media. So for this specific edge case, there might be a benefit.

Edit: To explain why I still think it won't do much good: You should always keep your systems and application software updated. This is at least true for anything connected to any network. With FreeBSD quarterly packages, you get the chance to only get updates to fix severe problems like e.g. security issues (and although I'm not sure this is always handled perfectly, at least that's the idea of quarterly), but for that, you still have to use the latest quarterly branch, so at least 4 times a year, there will be a need to dowload lots of stuff. And it's not like any other OS could offer a generic solution to the problem, just different approaches, but still, there's always a need for downloads and sometimes, they're quite large. So, an internet connection too bad to make these downloads somewhat practical is always a problem :oops:
 
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