Time to switch...

Time runs out soon for Intel Baytrail users for an accelerated Xorg desktop.

DRM-510-KMOD expires with FreeBSD 13.5-RELEASE. The last working version with Baytrail.

J1800
J1900
N2807
N2930
E3825
E3845

Also
portsnap will be deorbited from ports with FreeBSD 13.5.
Why I dunno? Its obviously too easy to use.
 
tingo said:
Ideally, you should all switch to FreeBSD.
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Why?

tingo said:
there is always an alternative https://endof10.org/
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That campaign is incredibly annoying, its followers have been harassing all of Mastodon for months now, “use Linux, it’s so great and everyone needs to use LinuxLinuxLinux have I said Linux yet?”. Seriously, if anyone still needs a good reason to kick Linux in the bin, it’s because of these people.
 
tingo said:
Based on posts in this forum, there are plenty of users here that run Windows 10, either on bare metal or on some virtual machine.
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Yup, I have it on two boxen, one that I use most is triple boot FreeBSD, Alt Linux and Win10, and on that one I had enrolled in ESU. Other box waits for lazy me to add my MS online acc there and hope that I can accumulate another 1K reward points for ESU, there is no chance that I’ll pay $30 for that.
 
Baytrail... eek! I don't think I have any of these... I'd better check though. My X201 has an i5-520M so i think it's safe...

List of Intel Bay Trail Processors

List of Intel Bay Trail processors, with succinct technical details such as the number of cores, frequencies, cache memory, RAM memory capacity, and a link ...
gadgetversus.com gadgetversus.com
Haven't had any windows machines for a long time, at least.
 
I forgot about some of those Baytrails. N35XX and Z37XX
It is quite possible that the Baytrail DRM driver issue could be resolved.
evadot@ patched DRM-510 to work but DRM-515 never got patched. I do need to check DRM-61.
 
I have Baytrail running on DRM-61 on 14.3-RELEASE so I am quite happy. I just loaded it on an DFI EC700-BT3051 3.5" SBC.

Some reason I thought DRM-510 was the end of the road for Baytrail. I will have to retry DRM-515.

Code: 
Sep 17 23:35:57 EC700 kernel: [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20201103 for drmn0 on minor 0
Sep 17 23:35:57 EC700 kernel: VT: Replacing driver "efifb" with new "drmfb".
Sep 17 23:35:57 EC700 kernel: start FB_INFO:
Sep 17 23:35:57 EC700 kernel: height=768 width=1360 depth=32
Sep 17 23:35:57 EC700 kernel: pbase=0xa0200000 vbase=0xfffff800a0200000
Sep 17 23:35:57 EC700 kernel: name=drmn0 id=i915drmfb flags=0x0 stride=5440
Sep 17 23:35:57 EC700 kernel: end FB_INFO
 
Guys!
It's no question that many people would profit from turning their backs on Windows and start using an open source OS - even if they don't know that themselves yet.
And it's also no question that every open source OS profits from getting more users.
No question.

But try to be a bit more realistic:
Just because Microsoft will stop support for Windows 10 and urge people to finally switch to 11 will not mean millions of Windows users will suddenly turn their backs on Windows and start to use some open source OS.
Even so I hope they don't rush all to FreeBSD.
Just because FreeBSD like it is simply ain't capable to hold a run like that.

A not to be underestimated huge amount of machines @$JOB in companies, offices etc. run Windows.
This will not change. Most companies will continue to run Windows.
And from those who don't most will change to Apple. Just because that's a turn key solution most of the software runs on they need. That's all what matters to them.
If the company keeps running as before just by "buying a couple of new desktop computers", then it has to be.
A private person will be pissed when to be forced to buy a new machine, because it's cost-intensive, especially when the old one's hardware was fully sufficient enough to do the job.
Most companies buy new hardware every few years anyway. For those it's an exceptional additional small rise on expendable supplies, but no expenses. It's just annoying.

Most companies will not switch to an OS that imposes larger restructuring measures of their whole IT, especially not if there is the slightest chance the company has to stop work for several hours, and above all not if this means training their staff, probably even "catch some nerdy Linux hackers mither the whole company with their religious GNU philosophy BS." That was expenses. That was investment. That's not going to happen just because "some supplier changed some minor detail."
Don't tell me companies would profit from using open source OS and having their staff trained on computers in the long term. I do know that. But that's not how companies think.
The shit simply has to run - it doesn't matter how.
As long as the costs for staying with Windows are the least, and nobody starts calculating and prove switching to another, even open source OS including all the effort that needs saves a lot of money short termed, no company switch.

For most people on their private computers at home it's Windows not because they chose it.
It's not only the majority doesn't even know there are other OS. Most even don't know what an OS is, nor what's it for. And they don't even remotely care. They use a computer. And there is Windows computers, and some use Apple computers. End of story.
If they had to chose they chose what they already know, what they use at work. But most just use it, because it comes preinstalled on the computers they buy, and above all they use what everybody uses.
"People will trade quality for ease everytime." [Incredibles 2, USA 2018]
Open source OS are not easy, especially not FreeBSD. They need effort.

The majority of general computer users are Windows user, and are not even remotely like us.
They are not interested in computers.
Neither they are willing to learn anything about it, especially nothing that cannot be done by colorful flashy blinky-blinky clicky-clicky GUI only. They are rather ignorant about computer things, and above all used to get everything served turn key on the silver platter.
Neither they are ready to switch to an OS that not only looks and feels completely strange to them, comes with the need to change almost all the software they are used to, which also in many cases does not come with so nice colorful looking GUIs. Plus the need of reading (a lot) documentation consisting zillions of terms they never heard of. Plus several hours if not days of installation, and configuration processes they don't even had the slightest idea of something like that even exist. Including all the frustration when all this shit ain't working at the first go, while understanding it's because of themselves, not capable to deal with this neither...

Nor is FreeBSD capable to deal with such a large amount of newcomers.
As just one point: The forums and mailing lists will be overrun by lamenting whiners complaining about why FreeBSD does not come as a turn key OS with a very Windows like autoconfiguring DE by default, why it is not more like...(not even reading the forum rules)

So, be careful, what you wish for.

Don't get me wrong:
I neither say all Windows users are ignorant about computers. I just say most of the general mass majority are.
Nor I say there will be no newcomers to Linux, or FreeBSD becasue of Microsoft quits support for one of their Windows' version - I once came to FreeBSD myself when they stopped support on 7. I just say there will be no many millions turning suddenly their backs on Windows. And even so maybe the larger Linux turnkey distros like ubuntu or OpenSUSE were capable to stand such a sudden run, but I doubt FreeBSD could.
Or, to be summarized even more:
Don't get your hopes up too much, and be glad about it. :cool:
 
This campaign was already carried out with the launch of Windows Vista, 8, 11... A few switched, most did not. People do not care anymore, you tell them that Windows 11 takes screenshots of your desktop and they think that applications and videogames compatibility is the most important thing.
 
vmisev said:
Yup, I have it on two boxen, one that I use most is triple boot FreeBSD, ...
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My Win10 metal is too old and slow, so I must use a VM now - only for software building w/ mingw64 'n testing.
On the VM I noticed the ads and all the distractions, just lovely /sarc. Gladly there is cygwin and msys2, so I could stick to my routine even on these nodes. Only one forced Win11 user in my circle due to accounting software, quite annoyed about its maintenance and 'surprise' updates. When the latter happens, its often close your eyes, pray and hope it will continue to work :)
 
Go take a look at the "Visitor Ratings and Reviews" page over at Distrowatch. I have definitely noticed an uptick in reviews coming from Win 10 users making the switch to Linux. Frequently they are switching to stuff like Fedora or one of the 'Buntus, or Linux Mint. Many of the reviews seem to focus on gaming, and they are switching to the easy-to-install Arch derivitives such as CachyOS or EndeavourOS. Every now and then you get the more tech-savvy or adventurous that migrates to Debian. I don't see anyone really switching from Windows to the BSDs. That comes later, after they realize what a mess Linux is, with few exceptions (Slackware, Void, Alpine, etc.).

So it's a process, you see: Windows...Linux...BSD. 😆
 
jaubits said:
My Win10 metal is too old and slow, so I must use a VM now - only for software building w/ mingw64 'n testing.
On the VM I noticed the ads and all the distractions, just lovely /sarc. Gladly there is cygwin and msys2, so I could stick to my routine even on these nodes. Only one forced Win11 user in my circle due to accounting software, quite annoyed about its maintenance and 'surprise' updates. When the latter happens, its often close your eyes, pray and hope it will continue to work :)
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Both of my boxen I mentioned are also quite old, but they are working perfectly well. Main desktop is HP Z420, Xeon E5-1650, 32G ECC RAM, GTX 970, few SSDs and USB3 drives. Other one is HP EliteDesk 800 G1, i5-4570, 16G RAM, GT 610 + HD4600.

Main desktop is even capable of playing games that I’m interested in perfectly well - okay, some are older like Skyrim, some are inide like Ostriv and Timberborn, but some are getting updates and upgrades regularly like The Long Dark and X4, and all work perfectly.

Only thing that they are missing for Win11 is TPM2 and CPU’s are blacklisted as to old 🤬 So, ESU until October ’26, and then I’ll probably look for newer second-hand WS.
 
I’m here because I admire FBSD, the command line and it being the OS that runs my XigmaNAS.

All of my work is done on Windows.
TurboTax, Quickbooks, Photoshop/ON1, Excel, and Cakewalk.

Intuit has declared Win10 will no longer launch their products. I have no doubt a money compensation (read: bribe) was paid to Intuit to secure this.
 
Maturin said:
Nor is FreeBSD capable to deal with such a large amount of newcomers.
As just one point: The forums and mailing lists will be overrun by lamenting whiners complaining about why FreeBSD does not come as a turn key OS with a very Windows like autoconfiguring DE by default, why it is not more like...(not even reading the forum rules)

So, be careful, what you wish for.
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Exactly! The community cannot even digest it's own lamenting folks nor fixing the most urgent problems it has now.
 
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