FreeBSD 15 probably will include KDE as DE installtion option

Yampress said:
The current KDE is a triumph of style over substance.
A terribly overgrown hole. I remember the KDE2 days...
Then I also used KDE3 and KDE4. KDE5.
KDE3 was quite nice and light...

All simple environments basically don't develop.But large projects swell significantly.
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I don't think it's as clean cut as non gnome/kde DEs are stagnant. Those two are the main ones in terms of contributors and funding. The other X11 only DEs cater to a specific user group (simplicity and stable) over chase of the whatever. The xfce devs (of which none is employed to just develop xfce, and some are employed at RH to develop Gnome) took a look at wayland, saw what was available, what were their resources and defined a multi-release plan. They didn't break existing installs, neither started developing a linux only login manager.
They thought about using CSD but reverted course because they listened to their users and instead gave the option to users and kept the default as it was. These decisions show that the project is mature, that appeals to a kind of users. Others perfer Gnome or Kde because they go all in wayland and systemd because that's the future, or niri or whatever.

As long as the developers are happy with they are producing and I'm happy with what is produced I'm fine. If one ot those changes I'll have to look elsewhere (maybe i'll go back to fluxbox or whatever).
 
T-Aoki said:
Well, but Gtk2 would need better HiDPI supports, at least as Gtk3.
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Hmm, considering Windows or Gnome 3 hasn't nailed this properly yet, I feel that may be out of scope for an actual desktop environment in 2026.

Perfection is the enemy of good and I am starting to suspect that Gtk3's approach can't get us there either.
 
T-Aoki said:
I think forking Gtk3 and stay there (security fixes only) would be saner than supporting Wayland.
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Why? Wayland is clearly where the world is going, no matter our personal opinions on X. Moving over will be a project, but it will be a project once and then they should be set for another 20-30 years. If they can lean on GTK to do most of the work for the apps, the majority of the work will be to write, adapt or adopt a compositor/WM and to update the settings panel - though I'm sure there will also be a long list of smaller issues to fix.

Trying to maintain their own X-only fork of Gtk3 will cost them a fair bit of work, for the benefit(?) of losing compatibility with most linux distros as they drop X support in the coming years. That doesn't seem like the best path to relevance.
 
Djn said:
Moving over will be a project, but it will be a project once and then they should be set for another 20-30 years.
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You sure about that? Maybe some new kid in town wants to make a name for himself and there is a new square wheel, more square than the previous ones, next year or next month. I, personally, don't trust them. YMMV.
 
Djn said:
Why? Wayland is clearly where the world is going, no matter our personal opinions on X.
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I believe it's wrong direction "driven by marketting persons". Back to X11 or restarting as saner alternative would be needed.

I'll change my mind if Wayland implements and sanely documents "human readable/writable" configs common within almost all of compositors (i.e., setting resolutions, color depths, forcing driver overrides, ... that seems to be done per-compositor) and implement text input framework supporting compat layer for X11 and ALL existing (v1, v2 and v3 as far as I know) variants of themselves. But without these "finished", I consider Wayland to be a garbage. Why devs of compositors need to reinvent wheels by themselves rather than Wayland itself? Why avoiding CJK text input from sanely and easily working? Sufficient "technical" reason to dispose or redo.
 
Djn said:
Why? Wayland is clearly where the world is going, no matter our personal opinions on X. Moving over will be a project, but it will be a project once and then they should be set for another 20-30 years. If they can lean on GTK to do most of the work for the apps, the majority of the work will be to write, adapt or adopt a compositor/WM and to update the settings panel - though I'm sure there will also be a long list of smaller issues to fix.

Trying to maintain their own X-only fork of Gtk3 will cost them a fair bit of work, for the benefit(?) of losing compatibility with most linux distros as they drop X support in the coming years. That doesn't seem like the best path to relevance.
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Nvidia driver here. Wayland is crap ...
 
Alain De Vos, for me at least with GP108 [GeForce GT 1030], although I haven't used it much, Wayland has worked fine for me for awhile. I remember at one point it didn't, I asked on these forums, and at the time, it wasn't working for you, but eventually,after some pkg upgrades, it's been fine for me. On the other hand, I still mostly use dwm, an Xorg window manager on my machine that has an Nvidia card. I don't demand too much of my graphics, just standard stuff and playing video, and it's been fine for me. I don't know about gaming, or other more sophisticated uses of it though.
 
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