do bsd-family like mac style very much?

There's also RayvnOS. I have been a macOS user since 1986 (System 7 days), and have two iMacs frozen at macOS 10.14 and 10.15. It's currently on macOS 15, I believe. It's interesting to me to have three FreeBSD-based projects that are trying to be macOS-like. I like to keep my macOS and BSDs distinctly different; I'm good with the way both MATE and Xfce function (and the WMs I tend to use), and don't need them to look and act like the macOS.

In many ways, I guess the macOS is considered the benchmark for desktop OSs, and projects like these seem to be an admission of such. I think they would be better served to combine their efforts, rather than be fragmented, as Linux distros tend to be. But to each their own, I guess. I'd rather see an awesome implementation of NeXTStep, such as the GSDE or NEXTSPACE projects.
 
I'd never heard of RayvnOS. Here are some screenshots, of older versions I think. https://ravynos.com/screenshots

I don't know MacOS well, so while I can appreciate its aesthetics, I don't like it or Windows very much. Neither seems as convenient (for *me*) as a minimal Linux or BSD desktop where almost everything can be done with the keyboard.
 
scottro said:
I don't know MacOS well, so while I can appreciate its aesthetics, I don't like it or Windows very much. Neither seems as convenient (for *me*) as a minimal Linux or BSD desktop where almost everything can be done with the keyboard.
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I guess I might be considered a macOS "power user," because I am able to navigate primarily by keyboard. It's actually really easy; you don't even need the macOS Dock. It can be killed entirely, and everything can be called up by hitting the command key + spacebar, which offers rofi or dmenu type capabilities. And of course using the macOS terminal is a great way to get things done with good old-fashioned UNIX tools. You can also install different WMs, including tiling.
 
vmisev said:
I think you got your dates wrong. System 7 arrived in spring of 1991, changed name to MacOS with 7.5.1, early 1995.

1986? That was System 3.[0,3] / Finder 5.[1,3]
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Good grief, yeah, '86 would have been only 2 years into the Mac (launched in 1984). The first Mac I owned myself (rather than using someone else's) was in 1991, hence System 7. Thanks for the correction!
 
JWJones said:
Good grief, yeah, '86 would have been only 2 years into the Mac (launched in 1984). The first Mac I owned myself (rather than using someone else's) was in 1991, hence System 7. Thanks for the correction!
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You are welcome!

For me, the first was System 6 ~90, but not on a Macintosh, I had Atari ST (with 4M RAM mod) + Spectre GCR. Then from '91 I started using them professionally, and I was lucky that job demanded only beasts, so we had few best of the line, and the rest were second best – from Quadras to Mac Pros.

I never had Apple at home, working whole day (and often day and night) with them was more than enough, I had to party as well 😎

Second time (after that System 6) I had MacOS at home was ~07|08 when I installed OS X on my MSI EX720; I learned a lot about iASL and how to write proper DASD – it was fun!
 
vmisev said:
Then from '91 I started using them professionally, and I was lucky that job demanded only beasts, so we had few best of the line, and the rest were second best – from Quadras to Mac Pros.
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I started using them professionally in '96, in the commercial printing industry, and yeah, we had beasts to do the work. A bright spot was when the clones came along, StarMax and Power Computing. They had some great hardware. I believe Jobs put the kibosh on the clones when he returned in 2000, if I'm remembering correctly.
 
JWJones said:
I started using them professionally in '96, in the commercial printing industry, and yeah, we had beasts to do the work. A bright spot was when the clones came along, StarMax and Power Computing. They had some great hardware. I believe Jobs put the kibosh on the clones when he returned in 2000, if I'm remembering correctly.
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I had experience only with Power Computing – great machines! Clones practically ended in late '97 (yes, that was Jobs doing) – clones had licensee only for MacOS 7.x, only Umax got license for MacOS 8 and that ended in mid '98. Power Computing users also got MacOS 8 update, but only because Apple bought Power Computing for $100Mil.
 
To get back to the thread subject: OS X renewed my interested in Unix (I had some SunOS experience in early '90s, but not much, I was more into DEC VMS as my fav OS back then), so I started reading about Linux, and deployed one at work - more about that story here.

As for why a lot of FreeBSD folks (devs especially) love and use Apple computers when IMHO there is no actual need for that, is beyond me 🤷‍♂️
 
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