Corporate Influence

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I think you can start to see the footprint Microsoft has left on Github.

When do you think we will see IBM's footprint on Redhat show up? They paid 34 Billion dollars for them.
Sound like alot for the original 'Open Source Company'.
I expect the Raleigh-Durham Area (RedHat HQ) to see thousands of layoff coming up. Because big blue seems good at that.
Lots of experienced folks will be slashed.

What do you think IBM's plans are with RedHat? Huge part of their numbers are government so that is in line with IBM client base.
To me it seems like a weird synergy.
 
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One striking thing, both of these companies have East Coast headquarters. A rarity in the 'Silicon Valley' tech world.
 
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Imagine the culture clash.
Birkenstocks and ping pong tables for Raleigh while Albany is Tie and Jacket meanwhile losing 100K people to India.
The big bang is coming. Alan Cox will be leaving within 2 years.
 

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It's kind of a sad state of affairs for me. I really like using software not embroiled in corporate culture. Sad to hear about GitHub. RedHat going to IBM is sad too, but they were already well on their way to corportatedom before IBM took over.
 

Sevendogsbsd

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Not sure what to make of the IBM deal. IBM got their a$$ spanked after the Compaq and PC clone explosion and their "take over the world" plot was foiled, even though Compaq had to pay them. I don't know anything about IBM in terms of corporate strategy. I do not trust Microsoft at all though - they have never failed to be dirty in their efforts towards world domination, but that was mostly during their Ballmer era.

Github is so widely used, I hope they leave it alone.
 

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When do you think we will see IBM's footprint on Redhat show up?
A little bit a week ago, and a month ago, and a quarter ago. That's when the people who don't want to work for IBM quit. This is common when IBM buys a company (which they do all the time, although not always at that scale): Some employees who really hate IBM (often former IBMers) will quit immediately.

The next step will be in 3-6 months, when IBM management has been put in place, and IBM's philosophy (follow policy and procedure mindlessly, never attempt to think) is being followed. That's when innovation will stop, a lot more employees will quit, and a lot of the remaining ones will become cynical and go into the "inner emigration".

And finally, in about 2-3 years, the stock options that must have been granted to retain high-level employees will vest; that's when there will be an exodus of high-level employees (duh).

I expect the Raleigh-Durham Area (RedHat HQ) to see thousands of layoff coming up. Because big blue seems good at that.
True. But Raleigh-Durham is also where IBM and Lenovo have huge facilities.

One striking thing, both of these companies have East Coast headquarters. A rarity in the 'Silicon Valley' tech world.
Not really. Lots of other companies are also outside Silly Valley: SAP, Microsoft. Plus the largest software companies in the world are not in Silicon Valley, and aren't even computer companies. About 25 years ago, they were GE, Boing, and GM. Today we probably need to add Airbus and Ford and ...

Imagine the culture clash.
... while Albany is Tie and Jacket ...
I worked at IBM for 16 years. There was exactly one colleague in our office of about 800 people who regularly wore suit and tie. He was a bit elderly, retired at age 75 or so (he started at IBM in ~1965). In those 16 years, I wore suit and tie exactly once.

The culture clash is massive, but it is not what people wear, nor what they eat and how they amuse themselves. It is about corporate culture: how are decisions made, what values drive decisions, how do people interact with each other.
 

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I don't think security related things are bad, unless they make you get a Microsoft email account to validate :mad:
 

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I don't think security related things are bad, unless they make you get a Microsoft email account to validate :mad:
Did they ever for any of their services? They allow just any email to create Microsoft account, and do seem a lesser evil now compared to Google (IMO). Bashing Microsoft just because it's Microsoft became a bit pointless nowadays.
 

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Has there ever been a case where the company value after a merger was more than the sum of the components?
 

Sevendogsbsd

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They don't, not bashing them, just relaying my mistrust. Google isn't evil, just a information gathering company. I am sure there are far worse companies out there.
 
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Warren Buffets team seems good at squashing together old economy companies. They are not sexy though.
Railroads and agro biz are his specialties.
So the question is 'value more' for who?
Customers, Employees or Stockholders.....

It does look like the Kraft - Heinz deal was a huge scam. $15 Billion dollar write down.
 

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unless they make you get a Microsoft email account to validate
That's what I was replying exactly. I just got myself a new android phone, and as you really need a google account to use it, I tried creating one using my *existing* email address. No matter what, all my attempts stalled at the "verification phone number", where none of ones I have worked, without any explanation (and there's a lot of noise about that in the web). Yes, I could create an account directly from the phone, but that comes only with new gmail account, which I don't want. So I'm back to using my iPhone with Apple account linked to my existing email (without any problem), and don't think I'll try android one any time soon. Same with Microsoft, I simply used my existing email to get a Microsoft account.

Sorry for getting more off-topic'y than off-topics here :)
 

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ralphbsz That one time being the first day?

After a certain size is reached companies resemble religions - only the ordonat changes and the hyms and prayers.
 

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That's what I was replying exactly. I just got myself a new android phone, and as you really need a google account to use it, I tried creating one using my *existing* email address. No matter what, all my attempts stalled at the "verification phone number", where none of ones I have worked, without any explanation (and there's a lot of noise about that in the web). Yes, I could create an account directly from the phone, but that comes only with new gmail account, which I don't want. So I'm back to using my iPhone with Apple account linked to my existing email (without any problem), and don't think I'll try android one any time soon. Same with Microsoft, I simply used my existing email to get a Microsoft account.

Sorry for getting more off-topic'y than off-topics here :)
I understand completely. I absolutely love Android phones, Samsung specifically, but you cannot de-googlefy them at all, as you mentioned. I would love to have an Apple phone for the very reasons you state but their hardware (even their flagships) cannot hold a candle to my Samsung Note 8, plus iOS is utterly baffling to me, although I would figure it out.

Off topic as well so will cut it short!
 
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IBM got their a$$ spanked after the Compaq and PC clone explosion and their "take over the world" plot was foiled, even though Compaq had to pay them.
I don't think the PC business failures made or broke them. That was a side deal they gambled on. They are a mainframe company.
Every-time you are in a big box store using a POS, good chance IBM equipment is in use.
Same with many other industries like health care.
 

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Right - I guess I meant they failed at dominating the PC market but I guess maybe not a total failure because they really sparked an explosion of the desktop PC.
 

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I think this is firmly out of our circle of influence - or is there anyone here who has any big say in that matter? So we can only watch and learn. I for one learned that the moment McKinsey drones breach the perimeter, my updated CV goes out. Now let's observe what happens here...
 

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Google isn't evil, just a information gathering company.
(Same applies to Facebook, Twitter, ...) No, incorrect. The big internet companies don't make money by gathering and selling information. They mostly make money by selling ads. Some of them also make money by selling other services (for example, Google sells enterprise e-mail and productivity software, and cloud services).

In the particular case of Facebook, it is actually true that they have been known to sell collected data for money (I don't think the other internet companies do that at all, but I'm not an expert). But even with Facebook, the vast majority of their revenue comes from selling ad space on the web pages they serve, or organizing ads for other web sites.

This is a basic fallacy of privacy: everyone thinks that their personal data is SOOO valuable. That statement is mostly wrong. It only becomes valuable if it becomes actionable. For example, you can go to the black market, and buy a few million good credit card numbers with matching names, for pennies per credit card. That's because credit card fraud protection has become good enough that knowing someone's credit card number is no longer very interesting. Less actionable information is even less valuable. For example, knowing that a specific person (let's call him Adam) likes to watch cat videos and russian car crash videos is fascinating, but has no economic value at all. The way a company like Facebook survives is: it collects data to make an intelligent guess at what ads you are likely to pay attention to and click on, and then it gets money from advertisers who want to take advantage of that guess.
 

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ralphbsz That one time being the first day?
No, I did that in my standard outfit: Jeans, sandals, sweatshirt. It was much later, when I was being trotted out to meet important customers, from a culture where businesspeople HAVE TO formal attire.
 

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I understand completely. I absolutely love Android phones, Samsung specifically, but you cannot de-googlefy them at all, as you mentioned. I would love to have an Apple phone for the very reasons you state but their hardware (even their flagships) cannot hold a candle to my Samsung Note 8, plus iOS is utterly baffling to me, although I would figure it out.

Off topic as well so will cut it short!
You can with a custom ROM and by using Aptoide for example. It won't be as user-friendly but it will still work.
 

ralphbsz

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(About IBM)
I don't think the PC business failures made or broke them. That was a side deal they gambled on.
Exactly. And they were smart enough to get out of it, when they understood that making money in that business would be difficult, and not compatible with their values and corporate culture. Same as with getting out of the disk drive business, or the printer business, or the "specialized software for NASA" business.

They are a mainframe company.
Wrong. While they do sell mainframes, it is actually a small part of the overall revenue, and a medium size of the overall profit.

IBM's business model is to be a computer services company. You are a medium or large enterprise (or government agency), you come to IBM, and they will get you up and running with all your IT needs. They may sell you computers, they may sell you computers that others have made (IBM used to be the biggest reseller of Digital Equipment hardware!), and most importantly they will understand your business needs, tailor their solution to what you really need (not what you say you want). And the biggest part of their offering will be the services that go with it. I've joked before that IBM is mostly a temp agency for sys admins. That's a cruel way to describe it, but has a large grain of truth: business services is the largest part of their business. Not hardware or software.
 

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IBMs purchase of Redhat is largely an attempt to buy relevance into the cloud computing space. They've been trying to compete with Oracle and Microsoft for years, and buying a commodity cloud platform would further solidify their place in the market. IBM was also a huge client of Redhat for more than a decade as well, so this was bound to happen at some point. This won't bode well for Red Hat, however IMO.

Anyway, this has very little to do with FreeBSD - I wouldn't concern yourself much with it.
 
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