About taxes

Alain De Vos

Alain De Vos

I just received two letters on the same day from my government.
I need to pay X Euro's , second letter they will pay me back X Euro's after I paid X Euro's.
I just paid X Euro's, two days for payment or additional costs will be involved.
So funny.
Every sane person would say this is stupid.
A friend told me this is "administration".
 
I'd say you were very lucky to get the money back!

The previous government is Australia devised a scheme (robo-debt) to send conjured up debt notices to welfare recipients demanding that they prove that no debt existed -- by providing written evidence (generally payslips, mostly for casual work) dating back many years. This was nothing more than a Government sanctioned extortion scheme.

Most were unable to disprove the debt (do you have your payslips from five years ago?). The psychological impact on vulnerable people was horrendous, and some faced financial ruin. More than 2000 people died after receiving a robo-debt notice.

The recently established Royal Commission has already determined that the Government of the day, and the Ministers responsible, were clearly advised from the outset, by their own lawyers, that the scheme was illegal. One might have hoped that amoral would have been enough...
 
gpw928 said:
This was nothing more than a Government sanctioned extortion scheme.
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It was a privilege to serve in that building few months ago. I was hopping from one chamber to the other. I saw a judge come to work in pants(::). That was one of the simple-life impressions created amongst us.

And about the robo-debt, I clearly remember it. Very saddening! I would imagine that several people are still paying back these 'debts' to the government welfare department.
 
gpw928 said:
I'd say you were very lucky to get the money back!

The previous government is Australia devised a scheme (robo-debt) to send conjured up debt notices to welfare recipients demanding that they prove that no debt existed -- by providing written evidence (generally payslips, mostly for casual work) dating back many years. This was nothing more than a Government sanctioned extortion scheme.

Most were unable to disprove the debt (do you have your payslips from five years ago?). The psychological impact on vulnerable people was horrendous, and some faced financial ruin. More than 2000 people died after receiving a robo-debt notice.

The recently established Royal Commission has already determined that the Government of the day, and the Ministers responsible, were clearly advised from the outset, by their own lawyers, that the scheme was illegal. One might have hoped that amoral would have been enough...
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Well, no. There is an important principle in democratic countries, that an explicit law is necessary to prohibit something. (This is different do totalitarian contries where one can get punished for crimes that were just made up by the government because they don't like you.)
So this means, as long as no law does prohibit something, you are free to do it. And I think this is correct and important.

But now comes the point: as all people are equal, the rulers demand the same right for themselves. They also consider themselves free to do whatever they like als long as there is no law against it - and if there is a law against it, then try to somehow get around that. And that means, in the first line, obviousely try to maximise their own profit on the expense of the people.
There is no such thing as an amoral government, and if it is rightaway illegal, then they can take taxpayers' money to get themselves some good lawyers.
 
This is a rather hot topic, isn't it?
I for one are happy to pay taxes, they buy me some civilisation. I'm not happy with everything that is bought with that money, but then, for contrast, look at countries with a tax rate of zero. You know, like Somalia. And if you think your tax code is stupid, try germany. My blood pressure forbids me to go into details.
 
The moment you feel the need to censor yourself you should stop and think of the why you feel you need to do this.
Noone should need to do this out of fear.
 
BobSlacker said:
Taxation is theft, nothing more.
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You could try to state your claim with the self-proclaimed queen of Canada. Apparently she has decreed that no tax should be paid. Fair warning though, it never ends well.
 
It is not my claim, it is the practical definition of taxes.

1. A group of people (self-proclaimed as a state and/or government) ask you for money.
2. If you give them your money they will leave you alone.
3. If you don't give them your money they will prosecute you.
4. If you protect your assets and/or avoid prosecution, they will try to get your assets by force.
5. If you respond to the aggression they will kidnap you and/or kill you.

So, theft by definition. I would go far and call it theft with threat of assault,
 
Alain De Vos said:
There is also alot which can be said about central-banking which is highly related to taxes.
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The state money it's a lie, it is backup by political honesty, aka lie. Central bank it is a very complex scam.

eternal_noob said:
You are doing something wrong. I always get money back when i file a tax return.
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So the thief gave some money back to you? This doen't change the nature of the relationship, it is still theft with threat of aggression.
SirDice said:
Sounds a lot like SovCits.
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I didn't knew them, thank you.
 
Ahhh... in the United States, we have a similar mess, it's called Social Security Administration. In most cases, though, it's really on individuals to keep track of their own debts, because big bureaucracies have too much data to wade through. But if you have the paperwork to back up your case, just go to the window, sit down in front of the clerk and refuse to leave until your case has been thoroughly verified. I once did that with a bill I paid already. Turns out that somebody on their side of things was just not paying attention to the job they had in front of them. Taking them to task saved me about $1k USD. ? ?
 
astyle said:
Ahhh... in the United States, we have a similar mess, it's called Social Security Administration. In most cases, though, it's really on individuals to keep track of their own debts, because big bureaucracies have too much data to wade through. But if you have the paperwork to back up your case, just go to the window, sit down in front of the clerk and refuse to leave until your case has been thoroughly verified. I once did that with a bill I paid already. Turns out that somebody on their side of things was just not paying attention to the job they had in front of them. Taking them to task saved me about $1k USD. ? ?
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It is more crazy when you realize that you are not obliged to make proof against your self when you murder someone, only when you spend money.
 
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