Orange Pi 6 Plus

It's a compelling board on paper spec-wise; although i'm skeptical of having chinese chips on my network (allwinner, rockchip, mediatek, cix, etc.)

The lack of documentation doesn't help either.

I'd shoot for Raspberry, SolidRun, ODroid, etc. stuff instead. (broadcom, qualcomm, amlogic, nxp, etc.)
 
Your best bet on FreeBSD is RK3399 followed by Allwinner H5 as far as "SBC" and aarch64 goes. Anything newer is unfortunately unsupported and support for RPi is in worse shape than the other two.
 
on all arm boards
there is 0 support for wifi and bluetooth.
there is no gpu support except of panfrost but even that sucks because of no iommu support
a lot of the drivers are half-assed and there is a good chance they work only on the device they were developed
obvious bugs take forever to be fixed even after the patch is available
 
I looked at it enough to be "triggered". I'm very anti-PI, but won't go into details, as I've explained my position in the past and offended some hobbiists in the process.
 
rdunkle said:
Has anyone looked into this new arm based sbc?
http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-6-Plus.html

The specifications are frugal with technical information.
Does not even tell the manufacturer of the network interfaces.

The recommended power supply is a 100W 20V.
The cooling fan looks serious.

This board appears similar to a Radxa Orion O6.
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Have one :)

It has UEFI Bootloader also not only DTB/DTS
if need testing something - I'm in :)
 
MrBSD said:
I can bet that there is not a single chip on this board that has no spyware in it.
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How is that supposed to work? It can only communicate with ethernet. Everybody would notice unknown data going to somewhere online.

The SBC industry is disappointing because they all stick to the monolithic architecture. In a fair world they would all have 16 direct main bus interconnect wires to make a 3d scalable grid. Nobody should care so much about the per machine performance. Same struggle we see at RISC-V. The big CPU manufacturers, which mostly are American fabs are afraid of tiny computers competing with quantity. The SBC must stay 1 machine for everything that you throw away if newer systems appear on the market...
 
Hardware schema's for Raspberry are not availble.
& Broadcom chips are not solled individualy (only trough Raspberry foundation for Raspberry SBC's).
Note : there is also "orange PI", "Asus thinkerboard"
 
MG said:
How is that supposed to work? It can only communicate with ethernet. Everybody would notice unknown data going to somewhere online.
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That changes absolutely nothing.You have tons of data coming in and out of Microsoft, Google and Apple operating systems and no one cares. And even those who care, continue to use it anyway.
MG said:
The SBC industry is disappointing because they all stick to the monolithic architecture. In a fair world they would all have 16 direct main bus interconnect wires to make a 3d scalable grid. Nobody should care so much about the per machine performance. Same struggle we see at RISC-V. The big CPU manufacturers, which mostly are American fabs are afraid of tiny computers competing with quantity. The SBC must stay 1 machine for everything that you throw away if newer systems appear on the market...
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If i ever go SBC route, its going to be RISC-V. If its not open, its not safe.
kpedersen said:
It doesn't have ME or PSP so that cuts out much of the US spyware at least.
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ME or PSP are well known. And there is hardware out there where ME can be completely neutralized. When it comes to Chinese boards, you have no clue whats going on.
 
MrBSD said:
That changes absolutely nothing.You have tons of data coming in and out of Microsoft, Google and Apple operating systems and no one cares. And even those who care, continue to use it anyway.
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If you run a non-transparent system that takes control like Windows, it can do what it wants anyway. That doesn't take spy hardware.
But show me any SBC doing spy activities outside of the installed OS, implemented in hardware. It really needs the LAN connection to get things anywhere, and that's always visible at the exit line. There are no secret channels that can keep an entire internet route unseen.
 
MG said:
How is that supposed to work? It can only communicate with ethernet. Everybody would notice unknown data going to somewhere online.
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Professionals don't use ethernet to snoop as much as RF emissions. In fact a really paranoid (which does not preclude being correct) person might suspect that some asian made ASICs are designed to leak decode-able RF.
 
They chose an odd name that matches a legendary Android phone :p (OnePlus 6/OP6; RPi can do that but OrangePi 6 needs the whole shebang)
 
kent_dorfman766 said:
Professionals don't use ethernet to snoop as much as RF emissions. In fact a really paranoid (which does not preclude being correct) person might suspect that some asian made ASICs are designed to leak decode-able RF.
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Does a proof of concept exist? There's no transmitter. I also nave never heard of 2 SBC's communicating via flux field signals of components or something like that. That's real paranoid. :cool:
 
MG said:
Does a proof of concept exist? There's no transmitter. I also nave never heard of 2 SBC's communicating via flux field signals of components or something like that. That's real paranoid. :cool:
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any time varying electrical signal creates RF energy. That's physics. and yes, there are examples of using RF leakage to decode communications.
 
kent_dorfman766 said:
any time varying electrical signal creates RF energy. That's physics. and yes, there are examples of using RF leakage to decode communications.
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Without antenna and transmitter, only on very short range. That's no real tap.
And what's in the RF signal? You can't put a lot in it without needing a analog-digital-analog conversion without the owner noticing anything. A 2 amp PSU isn't going to do that.
 
I've opi5max, it does well what I bought it for - tier1 storage for my home lab (Linux though). Without Joshua's extensive work it would have been powerful, yet useless piece of HW.
I'm afraid this is also true for this new HW. Their forums is joke, their SW support is almost non existent.

In other words, Achilles heel of OPI is their SW support.
 
MG said:
If you run a non-transparent system that takes control like Windows, it can do what it wants anyway. That doesn't take spy hardware.
But show me any SBC doing spy activities outside of the installed OS, implemented in hardware. It really needs the LAN connection to get things anywhere, and that's always visible at the exit line. There are no secret channels that can keep an entire internet route unseen.
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You are not thinking correctly. These boards dont need to constantly send and receive data and just expose themself like that. Exploits might be dormant and just sitting there waiting for activation. It can also be timing based. Something like this could be a good reading for you. I dont care if its true or not, it is a possibility. And thats all that matters. The point is, you dont know.
 
MrBSD said:
You are not thinking correctly. These boards dont need to constantly send and receive data and just expose themself like that. Exploits might be dormant and just sitting there waiting for activation. It can also be timing based. Something like this could be a good reading for you. I dont care if its true or not, it is a possibility. And thats all that matters. The point is, you dont know.
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I know the Cisco router problem but it used the existing administration channel and a installed embedded OS. Those were entire computers including software..

Spyware needs a channel to the spy himself to make it useful. And with that, any operating system running on this hardware with all permissions makes any hardware-based backdoor unnecessary because the system already provides data transmission to any malicious party anyway. It doesn't need rigged hardware if the OS allows everything already.
 
MG said:
Spyware needs a channel to the spy himself to make it useful. And with that, any operating system running on this hardware with all permissions makes any hardware-based backdoor unnecessary because the system already provides data transmission to any malicious party anyway. It doesn't need rigged hardware if the OS allows everything already.
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Technology is getting weaponized on global scale by everyone. To assume that these devices are safe to use based on these assumptions is a recipe for disaster. You have very simplistic view on everything and thats pretty scary to be honest.
 
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