Phoronix FreeBSD 8 Performance Test

tbyte · #1 November 30th, 2009, 16:14

Phoronix posted a performance tests of FreeBSD 8.0 today. FreeBSD doesn't do very well there but the reason could be that it's first stable release of 8 branch and that it's currently stabilized and not that optimized for performance. Of course that is something else. As far as I know Linux distros use a lot newer and better GCC and FreeBSD uses a long outdated gcc 4.2.1 (20070719).

Sylhouette · #2 November 30th, 2009, 16:24

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As far as I know Linux distros use a lot newer and better GCC and FreeBSD uses a long outdated gcc 4.2.1 (20070719)

And as far as i know the gcc version will stay at that version.
If i recall correct it had something to do with the new v3 GPL license.

And maybe FreeBSD is slower at some points, it remains my main system. Just because it is clean, manageable (for me at least

)
and i feel very comfortable with it.

tried some linux distro's even did RHCE when RedHat was at 7.0, but when i came acros FreeBSD it never let me go.
regards
Johan

tbyte · #3 November 30th, 2009, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Sylhouette

...
And maybe FreeBSD is slower at some points, it remains my main system. Just because it is clean, manageable (for me at least

)
and i feel very comfortable with it.
...

Nobody talks about switching OSes. I'll probably never switch even if FreeBSD 10 is 3x slower than windose

(all my ~100 servers and desktops are FreeBSD).
But it's always better to be faster than not, right ?

mk · #4 November 30th, 2009, 17:14

i would say fast and stable. check questions@ and performance@ there is discussion exactly about that bench. iirc one topic was named "specific example of io(was zfs bla bla..)"

tbyte · #5 November 30th, 2009, 17:34

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Originally Posted by mk

... check questions@ and performance@ there is discussion exactly about that bench. iirc one topic was named "specific example of io(was zfs bla bla..)"

The only thread that looks like that is 'ZFS Re: A specific example of a disk i/o problem' which has nothing to do with that and is a month old. That article is from today

mk · #6 November 30th, 2009, 18:48

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Originally Posted by tbyte

The only thread that looks like that is 'ZFS Re: A specific example of a disk i/o problem' which has nothing to do with that and is a month old. That article is from today

this phoronix bench fbsd vs ubuntu - this is from september 28. last time that make performance@ noisy and in the same time that specific zfs io example appeared so i remembered as they were the same thing. i think that there was even redirect to questions@. i can't remember and i'm lazy to search now.

tbyte · #7 December 1st, 2009, 00:12

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Originally Posted by mk

this phoronix bench fbsd vs ubuntu - this is from september 28. ..

That is not what I posted

honk · #8 December 1st, 2009, 03:17

I think this phoronix benchmarks linked here are completely meaningless. It's like trying to impress a little girl with statements like "...my penis gets hard in 5.123 seconds instead of 5.789 second but only when the sun shines in Paris and I have Angelina Jolie as desktop background..."

Penel · #9 December 1st, 2009, 05:32

I read the article on Phoronix just today and it was a pretty interesting read.

However, just recently making the switch from Linux to FreeBSD, I am pretty satisfied with the way things are in the FreeBSD operating system. Everything seems so much more "simplified & organized".

Linux too me now just seems so unorganized and chaotic and lots of unnecessary junk

mk · #10 December 1st, 2009, 06:54

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Originally Posted by tbyte

That is not what I posted

well that was the first thing in my head when open the link at phoronix web without reading any further

tbyte · #11 December 1st, 2009, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Penel

However, just recently making the switch from Linux to FreeBSD, I am pretty satisfied with the way things are in the FreeBSD operating system. Everything seems so much more "simplified & organized".

Linux too me now just seems so unorganized and chaotic and lots of unnecessary junk

That's what I'm trying to explain to linux users every time I end up in a linux vs FreeBSD argument. But as they have never tried FreeBSD ... good luck trying to explain that to the linux zealots

troberts · #12 December 1st, 2009, 15:18

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Originally Posted by tbyte

As far as I know Linux distros use a lot newer and better GCC and FreeBSD uses a long outdated gcc 4.2.1 (20070719).

The FreeBSD team is working on that problem with Clang/LLVM being the solution. Check out the FreeBSD wiki page at http://wiki.freebsd.org/BuildingFreeBSDWithClang. Once FreeBSD can be built with Clang/LLVM, then the port maintainers can work on getting their ports to build with Clang/LLVM, or if they still need to be build with GCC, then they can work on getting them to build with the latest stable version of GCC.

tbyte · #13 December 1st, 2009, 15:40

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Originally Posted by troberts

The FreeBSD team is working on that problem with Clang/LLVM being the solution.

That doesn't mean that Clang/LLVM will be faster than the current version of GCC (4.5). As far as I know the current focus for Clang/LLVM is making it stable and usable at all. So I'm guessing there will be a few years before the focus shifts to performance.
So I'm not exactly sure it will be "the solution"

oliverh · #14 December 1st, 2009, 19:08

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Originally Posted by tbyte

Phoronix posted a performance tests of FreeBSD 8.0 today. FreeBSD doesn't do very well there but the reason could be that it's first stable release of 8 branch and that it's currently stabilized and not that optimized for performance. Of course that is something else. As far as I know Linux distros use a lot newer and better GCC and FreeBSD uses a long outdated gcc 4.2.1 (20070719).

This is a nonsense benchmark. Nobody e.g uses Povray anymore, apart from some hobbyists, most people are using yafray as render engine for prof. work in FOSS or Blender and so on. Furthermore who uses gzip? For really big data people are using different applications, so again a test of no relevance.

A benchmark is usable only at your very own hardware and among the same line of operating system. Last not least we see heavily tuned operating systems like Fedora and Ubuntu using alpha/beta software compared to a stable and reliable operating system like FreeBSD.Even OpenSolaris is tuned by default. But FreeBSD is by default maybe ready for a small headless server. So guess what, this benchmarks stinks.

vivek · #15 December 1st, 2009, 20:30

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

routers · #16 December 2nd, 2009, 10:34

What are your thoughts

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...bsd8_ubuntu910

alie · #17 December 2nd, 2009, 10:40

FYI: we already have discussion about it here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=8850

**DutchDaemon** · #18 December 2nd, 2009, 13:11

[previous two posts merged in]

**DutchDaemon** · #19 December 2nd, 2009, 15:29

http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree...-ministat.html

From ministat(1)

Code:

HISTORY
     The ministat command was written by Poul-Henning Kamp out of frustration
     over all the bogus benchmark claims made by people with no understanding
     of the importance of uncertainty and statistics.

Beer-ware licensed, of course

everypot · #20 December 6th, 2009, 05:12

Any thoughts?

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...nchmarks&num=1

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Out of the 26 graphs shown in this article, how many times did FreeBSD 8.0 pull ahead of Linux / OpenSolaris? Just one. This win was with the C-Ray ray-tracing engine. However, in this test, it actually illustrates a performance regression where FreeBSD 7.2 was even faster than the newest 8.0 release. Between FreeBSD 7.2 and 8.0, the week-old operating system did offer nice performance improvements in a few areas like MAFFT. The real performance race though came down between the OpenSolaris 2010.02 development build (derived from b127) and Ubuntu 9.10 / Fedora 12

**DutchDaemon** · #21 December 6th, 2009, 05:23

(thread merged in -- try a forum search next time)

NewScientist · #22 September 6th, 2010, 13:55

To the FreeBSD engineeringteam:

It's time to gain back the performance crown for FreeBSD

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...d_81_rc2&num=1

sossego · #23 September 6th, 2010, 21:28

Benchmarks are worthless because everyone isn't doing the exact same thing.

oliverh · #24 September 6th, 2010, 23:26

Benchmarks aren't per se worthless, especially not in certain environments. But on a broader basis they're mainly entertainment, like Phoronix itself.

sossego · #25 September 7th, 2010, 06:07

Alright, I can see the entertainment part.

IRC quotes from Phoronix.

Quote:

bkero: I however, get HUGE wood over ARM stuff.
bkero: I have muchas bandwidthas

More here http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...r&d=2008-11-04

Start at

Quote:

Deanjo: I just lick the USB cable

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