Most expensive laptops

And ANY thinkpad is better than this ....sick mutant abomination. Did anyone ever try to type on one of these things?? I think it's near to impossible... 😫 🥵
The horrible small zero-travel keyboard ... the HUGE trackpad (Why???!!! Wtf is it for??!)... of course no RJ45 ethernet socket (what do you need one of those for?...!)
Who really thinks this is good design? 😂

But hey, it's THIN and its SHINY and its EXPENSIVE!😁 My friend has one, he thinks it's great hahaha.

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That touchpad is almost as big as the keyboard... :oops:
 
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For myself... I want X31/X41 form factor, with modern electronics and updated screen. I can dream....
So good... like a classic HP calculator. Real, good quality, IBM design, like a jewel 😁. I remember the first time I received X31... immediately I knew, it's great! I had the same feeling for this laptop as for my Leica camera. Everything is high quality, well thought-out.:)

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NOT THIS... and not a thinkpad copy of this... 😂 Well, I know a lot of people like them, but it's not for me. Shiny!

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Well, I guess I'm out of luck on that one... 🫤
 
I'd say the most expensive laptop is the one you buy and that can not do what you want it to do.
 
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Maybe some time I'll try one of these, that one is the 13th Gen. Although it's still got the huge touchpad (no mouse buttons now, I think you are supposed to bang the touchpad...:'‑( ) and the crappy new keyboard. Well, maybe the keyboard isn't too bad on these, at least the keys do have some travel. But you can't win, it's all that anyone makes nowadays. At least they didn't take the trackpoint away. I guess it's not too terrible. Oh wait, no RJ45, but they will sell you a dongle. Yeah, it's pretty crap. Bring back my X31!

Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 13-14" 2.8K OLED 120hz, Copilot+ PC Ultrabook - Intel Core Ultra 7 258V EVO- 32 GB Memory 8533MT/s - 1TB SSD - Backlit, Fingerprint, Wi-fi 7, Win 11 PRO, DESKPAD MAJOOL : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories

Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 13-14" 2.8K OLED 120hz, Copilot+ PC Ultrabook - Intel Core Ultra 7 258V EVO- 32 GB Memory 8533MT/s - 1TB SSD - Backlit, Fingerprint, Wi-fi 7, Win 11 PRO, DESKPAD MAJOOL : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories
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With an oled screen, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD, current price is 3153 GBP. Which is $4200 US. 😫
And that is what we call "strong money" over here. It's like 'strong typing', but with money. Basically, they are taking the pi55. I wonder what the true factory gate price is. I'm sure the factory build cost of these is much lower than the classic thinkpads, the build quality of the modern ones is nowhere near as good as the old ones, I don't care what lenovo say about mil-spec testing.
 
I want a Lenovo W500! Wacom digitizer (looks perfect for osu! :p) and a second screen on slide-out! I had a T500 and liked the bulk of it.
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Acer Predator 21 X looks fun :p

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Another very under-rated series of thinkpads are the R-series. They don't get a lot of press... everyone talks about T, W and X series. But there are some very nice R-series machines too, very well made. The build quality is top line, like the other classic thinkpads. Like this R400...

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There's an art to saving money when buying a laptop that I summarized to family & friends like this:

- Choose the smallest screen size and use an external monitor instead. You can save like $200+ buying a 13'' instead of 15''.
- When settling on the desired number of cores, choose the cheaper option. You can also save $200+ like this.
- No Windows preinstalled to save $100.
- With half of the money you saved you can choose the most RAM if soldered. Otherwise no RAM if you can add it yourself.
- 128GB is more than enough for primary storage for the OS, unless you're multibooting and don't want secondary storage.
- Do you really need that fancy GPU when you're not gaming? You're not going to train LLM's on a laptop, right? Right?

Considering adding:
- Why a laptop and not a mini-PC?
 
blackbird9 said:
Another very under-rated series of thinkpads are the R-series. They don't get a lot of press... everyone talks about T, W and X series. But there are some very nice R-series machines too, very well made. The build quality is top line, like the other classic thinkpads. Like this R400...

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I had a couple R40s for FreeBSD work for a long time. Sadly they all died (wouldn't turn on anymore).
 
I think I remember seeing the R40 in the lab, I didn't have one myself. That was around the same time as the X31, or maybe X41 I think? I wonder why they died... that's a shame. Ibm screwed up in the X41 by using the tiny 1.4" hard drives, they were very slow and hard to get hold of, I think I still have a couple in my spares box somewhere. But you could get an adapter and put a small ssd or sdram card in and boot the machine off that, I used to run my X41 off a high-speed camera sdram card, it was faster than using the hard drive! The X61 was another good machine too, except for one problem: they mounted the wifi card under the palm rest on one side, which got hot, which meant you always got a burning feeling in one hand... I can't remember now if it was left hand or right hand haha!
 
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I wish you good luck! :)
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Thanks.

It was not bad to be honest - over the years I was able to get used ThinkPad T25 (unfortunately with ISO keyboard) and used FrankenPad with T25 US ANSI keyboard based on ThinkPad T480 (my current main laptop).

I once saw Lenovo offer ANSI US ThinkPad T25 in their refurbished store for $300 ... I though it was way too overpriced - and after 30 minutes it was gone ...
 
rbranco said:
There's an art to saving money when buying a laptop that I summarized to family & friends like this:

- Choose the smallest screen size and use an external monitor instead. You can save like $200+ buying a 13'' instead of 15''.
- When settling on the desired number of cores, choose the cheaper option. You can also save $200+ like this.
- No Windows preinstalled to save $100.
- With half of the money you saved you can choose the most RAM if soldered. Otherwise no RAM if you can add it yourself.
- 128GB is more than enough for primary storage for the OS, unless you're multibooting and don't want secondary storage.
- Do you really need that fancy GPU when you're not gaming? You're not going to train LLM's on a laptop, right? Right?

Considering adding:
- Why a laptop and not a mini-PC?
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Right now the answer is VERY simple.

Get used ThinkPad T14 GEN1 with 6-CORE AMD Ryzen 4650U and 16GB and 256GB SSD and 1920x1080 screen for $250 to $300.

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You can not beat that with any Framework or MacBook.... and compatibility is best with ThinkPads on FreeBSD.

... and if your budget is REALLY low - then get ThinkPad T460p with 4-CORES for about $100 to $150 - they also come with something like 16 GB RAM and 256 to 512 GB SSD and similar FullHD screen.... and the same well supported on FreeBSD.

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Just how do you stuff an RTX 5090 into a laptop??? 😲 Those things will melt and explode!

And they do cost a LOT. I can do a Christmas vacation in Hawaii for $6000, and yep, that includes New Year's, as well. That's a MUCH better way to blow the money, IMHO. Or on a 300cc motorcycle, seriously.

Not to mention that it's not that hard to get most of the same components for around $1000, including the RAM and CPUs.
 
cracauer@ said:
I second the recommendation for the T14 gen1 AMD.

Note that there is a T14s, which is the shit version. Don't get that.
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Yep.

The 'S' is not silent like 'D' in 'Django' unfortunately ... the ThinkPad T420s and T430s are great laptops (and I personally used and still have T420s) but more modern ones like T480s/T490s/T14s are too much fucking loud (fan going crazy fast) to say the least.
 
The T14 gen 1 AMD is nice... unfortunately in the UK they are currently quite expensive and hard to find, price starts around 300 GBP/$400 US and goes up from there, you might have to pay around $500 US for a good refurb one here. There are lots of the 's' variant on the market here, the 's' versions tend to be cheaper, but not many of the non-s. If I buy one from the US and try to import it here, UK customs add a big import duty too, which means the price ends up the same as paying the UK price anyway (I already found that out buying massdrop headphones direct from the US 😫 ).

I got my intel T490 in mint condition which has 16GB RAM and a 4-core i7 / 512GB SSD for $225, so that's about half the price of the T14 gen 1 AMD (although I think I got lucky with the price on that one, it was basically like a new, unused machine, probably just sat on someone's desk doing nothing for 3-4 years... or used with external monitor/kbd and lid kept closed). I will keep watching for a good T14 ryzen though, the price is always coming down. I haven't noticed the fan going crazy on the T490, most of the time I can barely hear it... but the lower case surface does get a bit hot if I sit with it on my lap, when watching yt videos. T480/i7/16GB is also quite hard to find and expensive in UK. That one also has a 'cult' following, like the X220 / i7.

I guess the price differences just reflects different markets between countries. I've noticed there always seems to be a lot more intel corporate disposals in the UK than AMD, maybe it reflects the buying patterns of uk companies (perhaps they get better bulk deals on intel thinkpads from lenovo, or maybe just more familiar with intel kit).
 
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- Why a laptop and not a mini-PC?
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A couple of nice things you can get to go with a mini-pc are the lenovo thinkpad standalone keyboard (I have KU-1255, you can also get a wireless version) and the aliexpress 1080p portable monitor, those monitors are quite good and cheap, and come with a carry case. I have got 'uperfect' 15.6" 1080p ips lcd monitor, it comes with a folding carry case. The keyboard of course comes with trackpoint, so you can even leave the mouse out. Combined with a small N100 type mini pc (example, gmktec G3 with 16GB ram) it makes a very nice small system you can put in a suitcase for travel. Of course a laptop is still easier, there is no cabling. But to have a portable PC, keyboard and monitor is much easier today than it used to be!

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We'll get P14s Gen5 soon. I could also have had a P16s Gen3 - but I hated the asymmetrical keyboard where you are either sitting in front of the keyboard or in front of the screen but never both.

That's what the X9 Aura (which is what I assume is pictured above) has, above reduced weight.

The good thing about Apple laptops is that you can try them out at many, many locations beyond Apple Stores.

Try finding any of the higher-end IBM laptops at some retail location....
 
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